Censorship, rape culture and free-speech

[Violet]

Inaccurate again Sae....

I really do not see how it is inaccurate to state that one's sex drive precludes all sexual actions they take, whether those actions be masturbation or rape.

Really, how can that become inaccurate? 0.o

As bizzare as it sounds the whole sex act for some is ALL ABOUT POWER over some one. The ability to inflict fear, terror and pain on another is something that some humans get their 'jollies' from. So your asumption that the sex drive alone is the cause of rape is inaccurate because; in with all of that there are wife beatings, husband beatings, child abuse beatings, murders along with the whole religious ethos of 'Heap big man thng' and the 'puny little wife ownership' etc. In short I am of the opinion that while sex is used by many as a power trip (in all fairness not by just the males of our society, although they seem to be in the greater numbers)

I believe you misunderstand me. I posit that a sex drive is a requirement for rape to occur, not that it is the only requirement. Indeed, I have quite the sex drive myself... yet i couldn't stand to fuck someone with their consent, let alone without.

Rape, in plenty of cases (and I should think most!), is the result of a desire and an available resource. Given strong enough desire for resource: control is lost. Compare it to our desire for water when we are thirsty, and place a lake in front of a man who has been 3 days in a dessert without water. Replace the desire for water with the desire to fuck something, and place something attractive and 'fuckable' into the picture. Therein lies most of rapes.

Sadists are after their own thing too (and no, not all rapists are sadists, infact I believe most of them are 'jo average fella'). I don't claim to have an idea what they are after though.

Masterbation is a solitary act and involves the imagination only. (Yes I know props are also used) As a survivour of a child rape incident I can say that it is all about a pathetic insecure (and often religious)person having power and control over a perceived "weaker" individual. The only tool that works is to have the view that ...Yes the offender is the one with the problem, and to NOT linger too long in victimhood.

Masturbation is not necessarily a solitary act... and it often involves props (to the point that a gigantic business exists of selling/providing these props). As someone with a disgusting memory* of molesting someone: I can say that it is about desire. It need not posses any baggage past this point. The offender is plenty a victim of rape and its related fields as well.

*note: this platform housed a much different personality before me.

As you get older you will come across males who will "try it on over you" I am glad to think that they are in for one great big surprise...in as much as that.... you will probably FLATTEN them. (Puny Little Man things)

I hope I won't come across any men or women that want to do so... I am plenty submissive if your aim is to pleasure me (and not to violently rape me).

But I am not naive to the point where i think myself immune of it... and I prefer knives, because I understand very well how they work and can put them to use with minimal clash between my brain and the weapon. I can make do with the basic body (I can wrestle in a fair match against an elder brother (former wrestler) and my father (former wrestling coach)... and I would like to note that they are both much larger than me)... but I am far from even calling myself adept in battle, let alone accomplished/particularly skilled.

Granted, if the paragon of the black bucks wants to rape me: there's pretty much nothing I can do against him. But I hope there is enough fight in me to ward off the common venom. Honestly, I much more anticipate rape attempts from people I know that people I don't.

[KichigaiNeko]

Understanding is reached

[Dotard]

I've stayed out of this discussion because this rape horse has been beaten to death in the Objectifing women thread.

Rape is not just about power and control. It came about by evolution for reproductive reasons.

[lrh9]

I am not offended at all by what any participants or commentators related to this event have expressed or published.

[theVOID]

I've stayed out of this discussion because this rape horse has been beaten to death in the Objectifing women thread.

Rape is not just about power and control. It came about by evolution for reproductive reasons.

Came about by evolution? Maybe, I can understand that rape to sentient beings is just normal reproductive behavior amongst species who have no notion of consent, instincts drive them to mate whenever the circumstances permit, but to say that rape as an intentional violation of consent came about through natural selection is something different and can't be inferred from non-consensual mating amongst beings without the same cognitive processes counting towards consent and/or mutual gain.

[Violet]

I've stayed out of this discussion because this rape horse has been beaten to death in the Objectifing women thread.

Rape is not just about power and control. It came about by evolution for reproductive reasons.

Came about by evolution? Maybe, I can understand that rape to sentient beings is just normal reproductive behavior amongst species who have no notion of consent, instincts drive them to mate whenever the circumstances permit, but to say that rape as an intentional violation of consent came about through natural selection is something different and can't be inferred from non-consensual mating amongst beings without the same cognitive processes counting towards consent and/or mutual gain.

My dog seems to have a notion of consent, as her twisting right around and biting most male dogs mounting her seems to suggest

Successful and lucky genes are passed on. It makes sense that rape would be more likely to succeed than not having sex at all. Hence: driven by evolution. While rape isn't likely intentional in violating consent, it is always intentional in fucking something. If indeed 'consent' doesn't exist for most lifeforms, then it makes sense that 'rape' (which is usually unconcerned with consent) is deeply embedded in our genes, simply absent the social constructs that regard sex without consent negatively.

[Autumnlicious]

Are we talking "rape" as in the dog climbs onto another dog, hoping for sex and may or may not be rebuffed?

Or "rape" as in man gets rebuffed by victim, overpowers anyways?

From the perspective of a dog, being rebuffed and knowing it is a lot harder - one probably has to bite.

With humans though, a declination of sex is enough of a rebuff.

[Violet]

Are we talking "rape" as in the dog climbs onto another dog, hoping for sex and may or may not be rebuffed?

Or "rape" as in man gets rebuffed by victim, overpowers anyways?

From the perspective of a dog, being rebuffed and knowing it is a lot harder - one probably has to bite.

With humans though, a declination of sex is enough of a rebuff.

Dogs can keep coming back when rebuffed, violence optional. I consider that to be rape, myself. A simple declination doesn't necessarily remove the desire... ever asked for a sandwich and been turned down? Are you still hungry? Likely.

It can be plenty difficult to rape another human... depends on the target. Best detriment to rape? Strength in numbers.

[Autumnlicious]

I have yet to steal someone else's sandwich in a terrible battle of wills.

[Violet]

I have yet to steal someone else's sandwich in a terrible battle of wills.

I've sort-of stolen people's food. I'm hungry and have no food, you have plenty of food that we both know you want to eat but that which I should have some of anyway. Share with the rich girl. Please. Pretty please. She won't stop nagging till you share. She is HUNGRY. VERY HUNGRY. SHE'LL RESORT TO BLACKMAIL IF YOU DON'T GIVE HER SOME FOOD. VERY WELL, SHE'LL JUST TELL THIS EAGER CROWD ABOUT THE NIGHT YOU AN-

Oh, thank you, dear.

I was using 'asked for a sandwich' as in asking someone to make one and give it to you. Works well enough as you used it too though.