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God plays games
#31
RE: God plays games
Quote:The punishment will be for having sinned (for having rebelled against God and broken his commandments.)
This assumes anyone should be punished for this or that
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#32
RE: God plays games
(October 10, 2020 at 7:05 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 8, 2020 at 7:26 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Assume that it's going to punish me for not being a christian. 

Already people have taken issue with the label, so why don't we do away with it. 
The punishment will be for having sinned (for having rebelled against God and broken his commandments.)

Yeah, sure, whatever, assume all of that.  Gods are real and a god is going to hurt me because I'm on the wrong side of it's list.  

This is a repulsive claim.  I'm not interested in hanging out with people who act that way, are you?

Why, then, would I worship a god that acted that way?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#33
RE: God plays games
(October 10, 2020 at 10:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 7:05 pm)runewell Wrote: Already people have taken issue with the label, so why don't we do away with it. 
The punishment will be for having sinned (for having rebelled against God and broken his commandments.)

Yeah, sure, whatever, assume all of that.  Gods are real and a god is going to hurt me because I'm on the wrong side of it's list.  

This is a repulsive claim.  I'm not interested in hanging out with people who act that way, are you?

Why, then, would I worship a god that acted that way?

It seems even less logical to decide that you would prefer the eternal torment - anyone who would disagree is a moran.  The more sensible alternative of course is to deny it all.   
Remember the alternative to the torment option (apart from the denial thing) is supposed to be quite nice.  No more sickness, no more death, no more night...
You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand. (Psalm 16:11)
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#34
RE: God plays games
It's not my decision to make. God has a shitlist, and it's going to do what it's going to do. There's no alternative to the torment option for me, and the fact that it's even an option is...again, repulsive.

If I tell you that you're headed down the wrong path, pitching goods that I don't have any need or desire for, what would be irrational - what a moron would do - is reassert the threat and recommit the undesired goods. I've already heard the stories. You aren't the first christian to tell me that I'm going to hell. Do you think that it might work for you, when it failed for all the rest?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#35
RE: God plays games
Of course, no rational individual would choose torment. Neither would any rational individual choose to believe in something for which there is no evidence to support its existence, yet theists exist quite irrationally.
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#36
RE: God plays games
God chooses torment, if not choosing torment is an indication of rationality, and only a moron would choose torment.......there's the cosmos' very first offender.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#37
RE: God plays games
Quote:It seems even less logical to decide that you would prefer the eternal torment - anyone who would disagree is a moran.  The more sensible alternative of course is to deny it all.   
Remember the alternative to the torment option (apart from the denial thing) is supposed to be quite nice.  No more sickness, no more death, no more night...
You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand. (Psalm 16:11)
So one should serve evil simply to wraith and receive reward   . That's pure moral cowardice  plain and simple. The only moron is one who denies his conscience .
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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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#38
RE: God plays games
The moral coward lives to experience their shame, at least. That seems to be the floor on this one.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#39
RE: God plays games
(October 10, 2020 at 11:16 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 10:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yeah, sure, whatever, assume all of that.  Gods are real and a god is going to hurt me because I'm on the wrong side of it's list.  

This is a repulsive claim.  I'm not interested in hanging out with people who act that way, are you?

Why, then, would I worship a god that acted that way?

It seems even less logical to decide that you would prefer the eternal torment - anyone who would disagree is a moran.  The more sensible alternative of course is to deny it all.   
Remember the alternative to the torment option (apart from the denial thing) is supposed to be quite nice.  No more sickness, no more death, no more night...
You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand. (Psalm 16:11)

Dude, Psalm 16 is about masturbation, you just jumped straight to the ejaculation part. Don't believe me? Read it yourself.
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#40
RE: God plays games
(October 10, 2020 at 11:16 pm)runewell Wrote:
(October 10, 2020 at 10:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yeah, sure, whatever, assume all of that.  Gods are real and a god is going to hurt me because I'm on the wrong side of it's list.  

This is a repulsive claim.  I'm not interested in hanging out with people who act that way, are you?

Why, then, would I worship a god that acted that way?

It seems even less logical to decide that you would prefer the eternal torment - anyone who would disagree is a moran.  The more sensible alternative of course is to deny it all.   
Remember the alternative to the torment option (apart from the denial thing) is supposed to be quite nice.  No more sickness, no more death, no more night...
You make known to me the path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand. (Psalm 16:11)

Joel Osteen promises me bliss if I'll send him my money. I don't listen to his entreaties, either.
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