The mask thread

[Seraph]

No they are freaking not . You don't have the right endanger the public , And there no civil right to a bus or a mosque they can kick you out if they deem you a danger  , And the police have every right to enforce the lockdown rules . No matter how much people like you cry victim .

I see you’ve bought into the whole media hype about Covid. Yes they have a right to kick me out, but it’s not ethical. If the virus really is so dangerous the solution isn’t to wear a mask, that’s laughable, the solution is to enforce a mass quarantine. Meanwhile, millions of people have lost employment and are food insecure. The economy is at a standstill. What’s the excuse? Some two hundred thousand people have died. Well, those were mostly very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity. People who were about to die anyways. For their sake millions of people don’t have a job and aren’t sure if there will be food on the table tonight for them and their children. What a disgrace.

[The Grand Nudger]

A mass quarantine would have been wonderful - but seeing how we've handled mask wearing, highly unlikely to have been accepted.

It' not all that rare for human beings to do things that will be a personal detriment if they provide help or benefit to our larger groups, wouldn't you agree? Ultimately, covid didn't cause our food situation - it just showed us the cracks. It's going to take people doing things that are a personal detriment in order to help others on that count as well. No free lunches, and all that. I'd hardly call our willingness to make personal sacrifices a disgrace - it's generally pointed to as one of the better angels of our nature.

[Foxaèr]

I see you’ve bought into the whole media hype about Covid. Yes they have a right to kick me out, but it’s not ethical. If the virus really is so dangerous the solution isn’t to wear a mask, that’s laughable, the solution is to enforce a mass quarantine. Meanwhile, millions of people have lost employment and are food insecure. The economy is at a standstill. What’s the excuse? Some two hundred thousand people have died. Well, those were mostly very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity. People who were about to die anyways. For their sake millions of people don’t have a job and aren’t sure if there will be food on the table tonight for them and their children. What a disgrace.

The science behind wearing a mask

[Seraph]

It' not all that rare for human beings to do things that will be a personal detriment if they provide help or benefit to our larger groups, wouldn't you agree? 

In this case a larger group (society in general) is enduring overwhelming detriment so a small group of people can go outside their homes. Very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity are virtually the only ones dying of Covid, that too with a low mortality rate of somewhere between 1-3%. If you really want to save their lives, restrict them to their homes, don’t tell the entire society to wear a mask, not congregate in large numbers, and maintain 6 feet distance from each other. What kind of incompetent policy is this?

[The Architect Of Fate]

I see you’ve bought into the whole media hype about Covid.

If by media hype you mean medically accepted facts 

Yes they have a right to kick me out, but it’s not ethical. 

Yes it is . It would be unethical to let you in .

If the virus really is so dangerous the solution isn’t to wear a mask, that’s laughable, the solution is to enforce a mass quarantine. 

Nope it's a medically sound thing to do 

Meanwhile, millions of people have lost employment and are food insecure.

They would have lost that anyway 

 

The economy is at a standstill. What’s the excuse? Some two hundred thousand people have died.

Yup thousands of people have died that's the only " excuse" they need 

 Well, those were mostly very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity.

False and even if it were true that does not change the justification 

 People who were about to die anyways.

False 

 For their sake millions of people don’t have a job and aren’t sure if there will be food on the table tonight for them and their children. 

They would have been anyway 

What a disgrace

You are a disgrace 

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In this case a larger group (society in general) is enduring overwhelming detriment so a small group of people can go outside their homes.

Nope 

 Very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity are virtually the only ones dying of Covid, that too with a low mortality rate of somewhere between 1-3%. If you really want to save their lives, restrict them to their homes, don’t tell the entire society to wear a mask, not congregate in large numbers, and maintain 6 feet distance from each other. What kind of incompetent policy is this?

Or you can follow the medically approved policies a stop your whining

[The Grand Nudger]

In this case a larger group (society in general) is enduring overwhelming detriment so a small group of people can go outside their homes. Very old people with preexisting conditions like diabetes and obesity are virtually the only ones dying of Covid, that too with a low mortality rate of somewhere between 1-3%. If you really want to save their lives, restrict them to their homes, don’t tell the entire society to wear a mask, not congregate in large numbers, and maintain 6 feet distance from each other. What kind of incompetent policy is this?

200k dead people is a pretty large group of dead people, and there are...ofc...many many more who've been infected and been damaged.  Bodily, and economically.  As to the state we find ourselves in, again, the virus didn't do that.  We've done this to ourselves.  We could have mass quarantined.  We could have worn our masks.  We could have provided adequate relief.  We still can, but, obviously, we were going to get the most out of our actions at the very beginning.  

I feel like we're negotiating over your grandmother.  Perhaps neither of us has the right to offer up her life or the right to suggest it? Letting covid run roughshod over us is unlikely to bring the mortality rate down.

[Seraph]

I guess we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this one. I can’t accept severe curtailing of civil liberties especially religious freedom to congregate in places of worship being so flagrantly violated because a virus that came from atheist, bat eating China due to deliberate deception by CCP and WHO, a virus that has mild symptoms largely no different from the common cold that the vast majority of the population doesn’t have to give a sweat about.

[The Grand Nudger]

Curtailing your civil liberties in all of the ways that socks curtail your civil liberties. There's nothing wrong with masks and mask wearing is the intelligent and responsible thing to do to help manage the spread of covid.

Your concerns about churches are cogent, and you should probably lead with those. Except for all the frothing bigot shit at the end, ofc.

[Seraph]

Oh man, I’ve seen so many people these days wearing face shields, I’ve even seen people wearing the full hazmat suit (they tend to be Asians). It’s downright comical.

[The Grand Nudger]

I've got a respirator I wore for awhile for kicks, before they stopped putting up with that shit on account of how you could finally buy a mask. It was definitely fun. The ones that hanes makes are a joke that tells itself.