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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm
It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 1:48 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
Did she accuse you of bomb building?
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 1:55 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 1:48 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
Did she accuse you of bomb building?
Probably....
Claimed I was "violent"....
The only time I hit her - was my face smacking her hand repeatedly......
No shit...
She hit me - several times - and said I was violent.....
I think she was pissed off that I wouldn't hit her back...
And my taunt of "you hit like a girl".. Heh
Go figure.
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 2:11 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
Do you ever try to corral all the runaway horses that you let loose?
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 3:47 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
I get what you are saying. They needed to have probable cause to do a search without permission. And maybe the girlfriend was trying to cause trouble - it's happens. A lot of people have an issue with simply going their separate ways.
However, when someone says that someone is building a bomb in an RV in their yard and you can see that the RV is fenced off and surrounded by lights and cameras...maybe, just maybe, you ask around. It's not illegal to talk to the neighbors. It's not illegal to surveil him. It's not illegal to find out if he has been shopping for bomb making components.
She didn't say he's brewing bathtub gin in the RV...she said he was making bombs and it looked as though he went to pretty great lengths to keep people away from that RV and to film anyone who may venture near.
Maybe a little digging wouldn't have turned up enough to do anything but then again...maybe it would have and this could have been prevented.
It seems with the bomb making dudes someone has noticed certain purchases, etc. that point to that endeavor. If someone starts waving a red flag it may be worth a little looking.
You had a crazy ex, I've had a crazy ex or two...I have exes who would say I was/am the crazy one. But if someone had said I was building bombs, I'd have had a visit or two from people with badges and I doubt not answering the door would have satisfied their questions.
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 4:43 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 3:47 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (December 30, 2020 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It does SOUND like the cops dropped the ball on this - but -
You have to consider the reporting party....
Was this woman believable? We do have rights to process of law. The cops just had heresay evidence - and no search warrant.
Sure - as a monday morning quarterback you can insist "they should have known!".
How? How does a cop tell the difference between an agitated ex with an axe to grind - and a legitimate tip about illegal activity? Do you really want them to send in the SWAT team every time someone makes an accusation?
Not me.
When my ex left - she fabricated a bunch of shit and got a restraining order against me. Just for spite I suppose.
The cops know exes do bullshit like that....
I get what you are saying. They needed to have probable cause to do a search without permission. And maybe the girlfriend was trying to cause trouble - it's happens. A lot of people have an issue with simply going their separate ways.
However, when someone says that someone is building a bomb in an RV in their yard and you can see that the RV is fenced off and surrounded by lights and cameras...maybe, just maybe, you ask around. It's not illegal to talk to the neighbors. It's not illegal to surveil him. It's not illegal to find out if he has been shopping for bomb making components.
She didn't say he's brewing bathtub gin in the RV...she said he was making bombs and it looked as though he went to pretty great lengths to keep people away from that RV and to film anyone who may venture near.
Maybe a little digging wouldn't have turned up enough to do anything but then again...maybe it would have and this could have been prevented.
It seems with the bomb making dudes someone has noticed certain purchases, etc. that point to that endeavor. If someone starts waving a red flag it may be worth a little looking.
You had a crazy ex, I've had a crazy ex or two...I have exes who would say I was/am the crazy one. But if someone had said I was building bombs, I'd have had a visit or two from people with badges and I doubt not answering the door would have satisfied their questions.
Actually - bomb making basically boils down to a chemistry education + willingness to work × degree of batshit crazyness......
If you have the knowledge - the time - and the drive to do it - you can build a DIY bomb without buying anything at all that would put you on any kind of watch list.
Fortunately - most of the nutters tend towards the lazy side - and try to buy certain things that do make LEO types take note.....
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 5:00 pm
Apparently the Nashville bomber believed in Lizard-people and other Q-Anon crap, and yet Trump hasn't yet denounced Q-Anon
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 5:19 pm
(December 30, 2020 at 5:00 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Apparently the Nashville bomber believed in Lizard-people and other Q-Anon crap, and yet Trump hasn't yet denounced Q-Anon
Yeah, I posted a link earlier that he was quite the conspiracy theorist.
Color me surprised. He was freaked out about 5G too.
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 30, 2020 at 7:38 pm
I wonder if it's these lizards.....
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It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happenned to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
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RE: Explosion in Nashville this morning.
December 31, 2020 at 7:11 am
(December 30, 2020 at 4:48 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Imagine that - more information about the bomber. It's amazing how more comes to the surface when you allow the authorities to actually work on an investigation.
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951352737...im-in-2019
Cops were told he was building bombs in an RV at his house. They knocked on the door and didn't get an answer so they moved on and didn't escalate the report.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/nashville-...rd-people/
And he was a conspiracy theorist. Whodathunkit?
The authorities who supposedly wouldn't withhold information about him were warned over a year ago and did nothing to follow up. Maybe they didn't lie but they didn't do their damn job either.
Still can't find anything supporting large bone fragments.
This is exactly why you SHOULDN'T defund the police. If you did, who would do nothing then?
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