Pronoun Backlash

[ignoramus]

J Petersen also made a big issue over this and testified his objections in the Canadian parliament.

Basically, for the first time ever under Commonwealth law, people were legally compelled to say certain words
(as opposed to "not say" certain words as they may be deemed offensive or hate speech).

His objection was about the further erosion of our civil liberties.

[Rev. Rye]

Worth noting: Jordy-boy is objectively wrong about this. Bill C-16 does not cover pronouns. You accidentally use the wrong pronouns, you have committed no crime. It covers, well, most of the same shit the Canadian Human Rights Act already covered for people of other races, religions, and sexualities, just with gender identity added. That said, a legal expert has opined it is theoretically possible under very certain circumstances, but it looks like you'd have to be a right shit (at a Graham Linehan level) to ever reach the scenario that Brenda Cossman describes.

I'd be lying if I said there weren't some potentially interesting points Jordan Peterson has made (and I suspect even then, he's just cribbing from better thinkers), but, in my experience, they never happen when he's dipping into politics.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Accept Peterson lied about that. Bill C16 neither says that nor even implies it. The point of the bill was to extend to transgender people the same protections against hate speech  "advocating violence " and discrimination as we do race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, and sexual orientation. And has already called out for this several times, And by the way to date, no one been arrested or even charged under this bill for misgendering someone.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Meh. Let her be eaten by the mob, I say. She's fantastic on American Horror Story, but it's kind of sweet when the cancellers are in hot water. I don't care that my PM, Trudeau, wore blackface several times, but he's a huge SJW, so I like that he was exposed as a huge hypocrite, though I don't think it was racist. The same goes for Sarah Paulson. I don't care what happens to her after she went on video and shamed me for not taking responsibility for people being slaughtered in the streets, and pushed propaganda lying about people being shot for taking a jog (he wasn't jogging, he was running away because he got caught, and was shot because he tried to take the gun. Nothing to do with jogging.) It was not a justified shooting, which means there's even less reason to make things up like this when you already have the facts on your side. When you make things up like "he was just jogging", your opponents can see you are not arguing in good faith and they won't take anything else you say seriously. No hard feelings though when it comes to Paulson. I'm still going to enjoy her on AHS, but I won't stand up for her as a person.

[arewethereyet]

About that wife, does she show signs of... The Man Who Never Was in either her voice or her physical appearance, or did you know her back when she was still pretending to be a man?

I'd be lying if sometimes, I find myself thinking about using the wrong pronouns about the given transperson under those circumstances, but when it happens (which isn't really that often, since it's very rare I actually meet one in the Flesh World [the NB from the previous post didn't really stay on in the group and I haven't been back since shit got real in March], I don't know much about the transpeople on this forum that they themselves don't let me know about, and, frankly, I haven't felt much of a need to talk about Elliot Page or Abigail Thorne in the past couple months), I always catch myself. Well, I don't think I've failed yet.

It's still early in the transition process, so, yeah, it's not intuitive.

The wife has two children...my mind wanders off wondering if they refer to niece's half sister as step mother?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

As far as pronouns go, I call people whatever they want to be called. It's not difficult, it's courteous, and it costs me nothing.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

As far as pronouns go, I call people whatever they want to be called. It's not difficult, it's courteous, and it costs me nothing.

Boru

I will too, if I know what they want to be called.  I am pretty sure I made a mistake at the grocery store a couple months back. The problem is not knowing the preferred pronoun.

As I said earlier, I think I'd rather just stick with first names, if I know that.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

As far as pronouns go, I call people whatever they want to be called. It's not difficult, it's courteous, and it costs me nothing.

Boru

I will too, if I know what they want to be called.  I am pretty sure I made a mistake at the grocery store a couple months back. The problem is not knowing the preferred pronoun.

As I said earlier, I think I'd rather just stick with first names, if I know that.

Well, yeah, people kinda have to tell you what they want to be called.

Boru

[brewer]

The "backlash" person(s) appear overly self absorbed.

[ignoramus]

I will too, if I know what they want to be called.  I am pretty sure I made a mistake at the grocery store a couple months back. The problem is not knowing the preferred pronoun.

As I said earlier, I think I'd rather just stick with first names, if I know that.

Well, yeah, people kinda have to tell you what they want to be called.

Boru

If we ever catch up, please remember that I like to be called: Your highness or Your holiness ...no biggie...

(a lot of people confuse it with : Your Assholiness! So rude!)