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A disgraceful god
#21
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 20, 2021 at 9:47 am)Eleven Wrote: God is supposed to be the penultimate father figure. Perhaps to those who invented him. After all, we always create that which we most desire, that which will have the most positive influence on society, and only through the ages as we progress does it become most apparent that what used to be popular has found itself floundering amidst the waves of societal change.

Anyone intelligent enough to spell a word properly should also be capable of understanding that a god which should exist cannot disgrace us with messages that only come from believers full of overwhelming acclaim that overshadows logic.

Dishonor fills the theistic world on too many levels for any of their apologetics to be taken seriously. Be a true believer and own up to your abhorrent silliness or forfeit the illogical faith for reality.

As the idea of god is a disgrace to any sensible individual, unwarranted belief is not above reproach.

After all, a true god would not be the kind of disappointment that cannot prove his existence to anyone except those who profess through ill reason.

The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!? 

Yet, because He declares and exhibits His humility, He righteously does prove the same - “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:18-22

Creation, which we love to enjoy - as does the Holy Bible - tell us GOD thoughtfully made it all to be enjoyed! Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.
 
Error that comes with consequence! “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
 
I have told you.
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#22
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(April 20, 2021 at 9:47 am)Eleven Wrote: God is supposed to be the penultimate father figure. Perhaps to those who invented him. After all, we always create that which we most desire, that which will have the most positive influence on society, and only through the ages as we progress does it become most apparent that what used to be popular has found itself floundering amidst the waves of societal change.

Anyone intelligent enough to spell a word properly should also be capable of understanding that a god which should exist cannot disgrace us with messages that only come from believers full of overwhelming acclaim that overshadows logic.

Dishonor fills the theistic world on too many levels for any of their apologetics to be taken seriously. Be a true believer and own up to your abhorrent silliness or forfeit the illogical faith for reality.

As the idea of god is a disgrace to any sensible individual, unwarranted belief is not above reproach.

After all, a true god would not be the kind of disappointment that cannot prove his existence to anyone except those who profess through ill reason.

The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!? 

Yet, because He declares and exhibits His humility, He righteously does prove the same - “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:18-22

Creation, which we love to enjoy - as does the Holy Bible - tell us GOD thoughtfully made it all to be enjoyed! Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.
 
Error that comes with consequence! “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
 
I have told you.
(my bold)

You see, this is where  the problems is. When we start asking questions. Especially, questions your great big book of pure bullshit doesn't have answers for, your gawd, or at least it's spokesmen, try to shut you up. Your gawd doesn't want smart people. It wants obedient people. Smart people ask difficult questions. Obedient people simply say "yes, sir." Smart people investigate their world, looking into every nook and crack, peeking behind ever curtain. Obedient people simply accept what their told, doing little else. Your gawd is far more like Donal Trump or Kim Jong Un than it is like Carl Sagan or Stephen Hawking.

It's also described as a hateful, puerile bully in the only book written about it.

Why should anyone be obedient to such a gawd?!? Always assuming it even existed.
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#23
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!?

It's not a matter of feeling entitled to an answer. It's a matter of seeking truth over untruth. Since "the Almighty" has made it so ambiguous whether he really exists or not, that puts many of us into a conundrum. Think about how evil it is that people were stoned to death (or fed to lions?) for the crime of blaspheming false gods.

In order to make the right decisions, it's good to know the facts. God stepping out and revealing his existence would supply vital information to those who wish to do the right thing. So it seems that (if God existed and was good) he might do such a thing. It's puzzling why he hasn't.
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#24
RE: A disgraceful god
Quote:The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!?
Consider said being demands people follow its rules and worship it. It Seems kind of a no-brainer that it at least give them a solid reason to believe it exists. So far all it's used is poorly written mythology and really shoddy apologetics. Which gives the distinct impression that he is merely an invention of men.
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#25
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!? 

Yet, because He declares and exhibits His humility, He righteously does prove the same - “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:18-22

Creation, which we love to enjoy - as does the Holy Bible - tell us GOD thoughtfully made it all to be enjoyed! Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.
 
Error that comes with consequence! “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
 
I have told you.

Of course, it’s easy for us with our 21st Century, materialistic minds to dismiss the Bible as a load of rubbish. But in the actual analysis, that is exactly what the Bible turns out to be---a load of rubbish! It is a book of nonsensical, fantastic stories about talking animals, talking bushes, mythical creatures, people rising from the dead, magic and pseudo-history. It is the creation of ignorant, fallible men, reflecting the prejudices, superstitions, bad theology and fears of the times in which it was written. It promotes slavery, ethnic cleansing, race prejudice, wars of conquest, the subjugation of women, child abuse and genital mutilation. It promotes the worship and celebration of a god who is little more than an egotistical, homicidal, fear-mongering tyrant. It is a book which any reasonable, intellectually honest, and intelligent person should heartily dismiss as bad fiction.
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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#26
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.

"Almighty"? Heeheeheeheehee! We can insult your evil little imaginary friend to our hearts' content, Mercyvessel, and nothing will happen. Serves you right for worshipping an omnimpotent deity. Hilarious
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#27
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 26, 2021 at 12:20 am)Astreja Wrote:
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.

"Almighty"?  Heeheeheeheehee!  We can insult your evil little imaginary friend to our hearts' content, Mercyvessel, and nothing will happen.  Serves you right for worshipping an omnimpotent deity.   Hilarious

I've always found it amusing that the christer gawd is so omni-impotent that it even requires other to be offended on it's behalf, being completely incapable of being offended for itself.
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#28
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(April 20, 2021 at 9:47 am)Eleven Wrote: God is supposed to be the penultimate father figure. Perhaps to those who invented him. After all, we always create that which we most desire, that which will have the most positive influence on society, and only through the ages as we progress does it become most apparent that what used to be popular has found itself floundering amidst the waves of societal change.

Anyone intelligent enough to spell a word properly should also be capable of understanding that a god which should exist cannot disgrace us with messages that only come from believers full of overwhelming acclaim that overshadows logic.

Dishonor fills the theistic world on too many levels for any of their apologetics to be taken seriously. Be a true believer and own up to your abhorrent silliness or forfeit the illogical faith for reality.

As the idea of god is a disgrace to any sensible individual, unwarranted belief is not above reproach.

After all, a true god would not be the kind of disappointment that cannot prove his existence to anyone except those who profess through ill reason.

The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!? 

Yet, because He declares and exhibits His humility, He righteously does prove the same - “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:18-22

Creation, which we love to enjoy - as does the Holy Bible - tell us GOD thoughtfully made it all to be enjoyed! Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.
 
Error that comes with consequence! “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
 
I have told you.
You have indeed told us. We, indeed, still don't believe a word of it. It is absurd.

To take just one example, "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen". If his attributes are invisible, they cannot, by definition, be clearly seen. On the other hand, if they can be clearly seen they cannot, by definition, be invisible.

But that is the holey babble for you. A mess of contradictions cover to cover.
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#29
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 26, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: I've always found it amusing that the christer gawd is so omni-impotent that it even requires other to be offended on it's behalf, being completely incapable of being offended for itself.

If you don't even have the power to get mad at someone, you're really SOL. Hehe
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#30
RE: A disgraceful god
(April 25, 2021 at 9:05 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:
(April 25, 2021 at 7:30 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The Almighty should be compelled to "prove His existence" to who? His creation? To you, oh man on this one terrestrial ball!? 

Yet, because He declares and exhibits His humility, He righteously does prove the same - “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.” - Romans 1:18-22

Creation, which we love to enjoy - as does the Holy Bible - tell us GOD thoughtfully made it all to be enjoyed! Yet, rather than be thankful, ask questions, or at least be silent, some are regrettably unwise enough to insult the Almighty.
 
Error that comes with consequence! “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
 
I have told you.
(my bold)

You see, this is where  the problems is. When we start asking questions. Especially, questions your great big book of pure bullshit doesn't have answers for, your gawd, or at least it's spokesmen, try to shut you up. Your gawd doesn't want smart people. It wants obedient people. Smart people ask difficult questions. Obedient people simply say "yes, sir." Smart people investigate their world, looking into every nook and crack, peeking behind ever curtain. Obedient people simply accept what their told, doing little else. Your gawd is far more like Donal Trump or Kim Jong Un than it is like Carl Sagan or Stephen Hawking.

It's also described as a hateful, puerile bully in the only book written about it.

Why should anyone be obedient to such a gawd?!? Always assuming it even existed.

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Truly, if you could know GOD by His grace and really read the Bible (and I pray that you all eventually do to saving of the soul), you would "taste and see that the LORD is good" - I say this from personal experience and most especially, from the infallible word of GOD - the holy Bible.  No prophecy written therein has failed, none will fail. It will all be revealed at the end, as prophesied... but many will keep denying until then. 

For the record, and not withstanding that GOD is all-powerful yet meek and keeps His own word/laws - He does indeed command obedience from His creatures! 

Why not obey the Creator in whose hand is life? Is it because you/we have some right, or are wiser or stronger than He? Is it pride? "Pride comes before a fall"! Would you tolerate your own child/ren (say toddlers) refusing to listen to a word you say, insisting on their own way, and on top of it all - insult you? 

"God resists the proud, b
ut gives grace to the humble.” 

Know this though, after all is said and done, and the possibility of salvation / reconciliation with GOD ends (at the end of the age or at the moment one's body dies) - we will all know that GOD is GOD.

For it is written: “As I live, says the LordEvery knee shall bow to Me, And every
 tongue shall confess to God.” - Rom 14:11
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