has Biden done a good job as president?

[Silver]

[The Grand Nudger]

Still consumed by all of the most ridiculous obsessions of the alt right, still not explaining why the complicit msm would tank their own game.  I don't actually expect an explanation - at least not a cogent one.  I'm tryin to help you realize that the things you believe can't be true, if the other things you believe are true.  All you have to do, is consider what the case would be if that something you believe is actually true - which should be easy.  Not like anyone has to argue you into it, you already believe it..whatever it is.

If the msm, is..as a fact, bidens state tv, and biden is some cynical operator who is simultaneously on the mental decline and the mastermind of some plot, is simultaneously a conservative republican and the most progressive president that we've ever had....why, would his msm.......burn their own?

Never said Biden was a mastermind of some plot, nor was Trump when it came to Fox News. Fox is a guard dog for Republican presidents and politicians, while most other MSM outlets are the guard dog for Democratic presidential candidates or presidents.

-fantasy.  Pure fantasy.  

We're at the last verse of the same song.  I'm not a sausage, and if I were a sausage that wouldn't be bad, and if it were bad, all of the other guys are just as bad.

If you don't like me calling it state tv, too bad. It may not be proper state tv in a literal sense like they have in Russia and places like that, and you can play this semantics game all you want, but as the great Noam Chomsky puts it, "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media."

It doesn't matter what I like or don't, you're going to do you.  I'm just telling you that you're a space cadet - and you should really figure out why this shit works on you so well. The american media landscape doesn't look a thing at all like what you imagine it to be - it isn't on account of that, that you believe what you do.

[Rev. Rye]

I voted Trudeau into office, but no, I'm not too fond of him.

Could you clarify?
1. Why aren't you fond of him?
2. Why did you vote for him if you weren't fond of him?

It’s theoretically possible it’s the same reason I actually did vote for Obama three times (remember primaries are still a thing and were in 2008) and was more than a little disappointed in him: namely, he wound up following a bit too closely in the neoliberal footsteps of his predecessors. I voted for him the third time because the options were basically same old neoliberal shit in a younger, hipper, more melanated wrapper with occasional good things, an increasingly feral Republican opposition, and just wiping my ass with my rights as a voter and risk having enabled the worse of the two evils getting in.

Then again, I get the feeling my experiences don’t mirror IA’s experience with Trudeau.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Never said Biden was a mastermind of some plot, nor was Trump when it came to Fox News. Fox is a guard dog for Republican presidents and politicians, while most other MSM outlets are the guard dog for Democratic presidential candidates or presidents.

-fantasy.  Pure fantasy.  

We're at the last verse of the same song.  I'm not a sausage, and if I were a sausage that wouldn't be bad, and if it were bad, all of the other guys are just as bad.

If you don't like me calling it state tv, too bad. It may not be proper state tv in a literal sense like they have in Russia and places like that, and you can play this semantics game all you want, but as the great Noam Chomsky puts it, "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media."

It doesn't matter what I like or don't, you're going to do you.  I'm just telling you that you're a space cadet - and you should really figure out why this shit works on you so well.  The american media landscape doesn't look a thing at all like what you imagine it to be - it isn't on account of that, that you believe what you do.

Racists are not the only ones who distrust the media. Have you heard of this thing called alternative media, specifically progressive alternative media? You think they were cheering the media on as MSM was smearing Bernie daily? You think hippies and other drug users were cheering the MSM on as the media smeared them? Libertarians don't like the MSM. Conservatives don't. Many liberals don't. Anarchists don't. Socialists don't. Communists don't. The protesters in the street attacked CNNs studio last year. Don't think they're too big of fans of the MSM.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/321116/amer...media.aspx

9% in the US trust mass media a great deal and 31 % a fair amount. Surely you're not going to argue that the other 60 % of Americans are raving mad white supremacists.

This accusing me non-stop of getting all of my views from white supremacists is tired and played out. Let's move onto another talking point. This one is boring. I still love you though, bro.

[arewethereyet]

-fantasy.  Pure fantasy.  

We're at the last verse of the same song.  I'm not a sausage, and if I were a sausage that wouldn't be bad, and if it were bad, all of the other guys are just as bad.


It doesn't matter what I like or don't, you're going to do you.  I'm just telling you that you're a space cadet - and you should really figure out why this shit works on you so well.  The american media landscape doesn't look a thing at all like what you imagine it to be - it isn't on account of that, that you believe what you do.

Racists are not the only ones who distrust the media. Have you heard of this thing called alternative media, specifically progressive alternative media? You think they were cheering the media on as MSM was smearing Bernie daily? You think hippies and other drug users were cheering the MSM on as the media smeared them? Libertarians don't like the MSM. Conservatives don't. Many liberals don't. Anarchists don't. The protesters in the street attacked CNNs studio last year. Don't think they're too big of fans of the MSM.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/321116/amer...media.aspx

9% in the US trust mass media a great deal and 31 % a fair amount. Surely you're not going to argue that the other 69 % of Americans are raving mad white supremacists.

This accusing me non-stop of getting all of my views from white supremacists is tired and played out. Let's move onto another talking point. This one is boring. I still love you though, bro.

If you want the talking point moved from white supremacists, perhaps you should stop quoting them and posting their videos.  

I'm just sure that Nudge can sleep well tonight knowing you still love him enough to call him 'bro'.

[Silver]

[The Architect Of Fate]

9% in the US trust mass media a great deal and 31 % a fair amount. Surely you're not going to argue that the other 69 % of Americans are raving mad white supremacists.

No, they are just duped by misinformed  by people like white supremacists. Remember this is the same country whose population takes young earth creationism and faith healing seriously.  

This accusing me non-stop of getting all of my views from white supremacists is tired and played out. Let's move onto another talking point. This one is boring. I still love you though, bro.

You don't want the accusation then stop making it credible.

[Rev. Rye]

9% in the US trust mass media a great deal and 31 % a fair amount. Surely you're not going to argue that the other 69 % of Americans are raving mad white supremacists.

Wait, that's 60%, not 69%.

And, no, I think they're being misled, like Sung. And, of course, a lot of people are just plain stupid. Hell, take Drich, uncritically parroting anything Trump or whatever right-wing media source he consumes says is true, and frequently fails at, among other things, math I would have known before I hit ten. While there are a couple points where I can remember him saying racist shit, he seems to be doing it out of sheer ignorance, and not really any sort of white supremacist racial animus. He's even biracial, even though, sometimes, the sheer idiocy of his claims makes me wonder if his parents were... a bit more closely related than a white guy and a Korean woman.

I think that in cases like this, Heinlein's Razor should apply: "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

As for percent of people who are out and out white supremacists, at this point, I'd ballpark that at about 10% if this poll is any indication.

[The Grand Nudger]

10% out and out, maybe, majority leaners. It's been very successful. As sungula points out, americans can believe alot of impossible things before breakfast. As you've noticed, IA, our news stations uncritically repeat the batshit claims of contemporary white supremacy - and you don't have to be watching fox. To the point where the majority of viewers believe it, and don't even realize that they believe the batshit claims - of contemporary white supremacy. Those that have an inkling would be our ten percent - and you, ofc.

[Angrboda]

I think that in cases like this, Heinlein's Razor should apply: "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

I believe that's Hanlon's razor.