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When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
#41
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 13, 2021 at 9:05 am)Belacqua Wrote: Skinner's major work was published in 1938. That probably seems pretty early to people working now.






Why are you rolling your eyes about philosophy while posing a philosophical question? Do you hate yourself for asking? That would be an issue for psychology.
So why ignore Skinner and his legacy?

Why equate an eyeroll with hate?  Falsely equivocate much there, Phaedrus?  I ask the question to indulge the tendencies I see here.  To answer your question, I love me some me.
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#42
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 13, 2021 at 9:35 am)Ranjr Wrote: So why ignore Skinner and his legacy?

I didn't say we should ignore him or his legacy. You made that up.
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#43
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 13, 2021 at 8:54 am)Ranjr Wrote: Classical and operant conditioning make testable predictions.  Too many here are focused on early theorists while ignoring Skinner and the like.

For those who wax philosophical over every little thing (eyeroll included), let me ask:  do we really want a science that links neurology to thoughts?  Because that's sounds dystopian AF.

It seems to me a world that avoid such a link to avoid a dystopia would be pretty dystopian already, as any world that require upholding ignorance to sustain itself must be.

And if it manage to sustain itself for some period, some people must see the leverage acquiring the forbidden knowledge would give in a world of the ignorant.    So an attempt to prevent the dystopia by avoiding the science merely ensures when it inevitably arrived, it will more likely come first to the hands of people who are least likely to do good with it.
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#44
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 13, 2021 at 9:56 am)Belacqua Wrote: I didn't say we should ignore him or his legacy. You made that up.

It was a general question to the thread, because it had focused on Freud as a way of claiming psychology isn't science.  Skinner had been ignored in those posts, including yours.  I didn't say you said he should be ignored.  Stop making things up.

(May 13, 2021 at 10:09 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Dystopian is a make belief utopia that relies on ignorance to sustain the belief.

I'm imagining a future where a scan of a person's brain can predict behavior.  Scientists construct a model of the person, run simulations, and predict behaviors.  That could have good consequences for society but bad consequences for individuals.  Say, in the case of a person predicted to be a murderer.
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#45
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
We'd use our more accurate predictions the same way we already (and always have) used our unreliable and less accurate predictions, I'd imagine.
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#46
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
I think many forum members are slightly confusing psychology as a clinical practice, with psychology as a scientific endeavor. By analogy they are as unique to each other as biology is to medicine.

Psychology studies the behavioral and cognitive aspects of the brain. Vision, perception, memory, language, emotion, knowledge, reasoning, these are just a fraction of the things studied under cognition. To be a psychologist you often have to be highly interdisciplinary. Behavioral geneticists are experts in the biological side of things. Social psychologists on the sociological and anthropological side. Some psychologists study ingestive behavior, satiety, eating, and are experts on the nutritional side of things. You have fields with names as impossible to pronounce as psychoneuroimmunology. You have psychologists that work on computers and technology, for example, with the military developing cockpits suited for the cognitive capacity of fighter pilots

Everywhere the brain goes psychology goes.
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#47
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 12, 2021 at 12:23 pm)Interaktive Wrote: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?

Human behavioral sciences are most certainly real sciencies.
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#48
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 12, 2021 at 1:24 pm)Interaktive Wrote:
(May 12, 2021 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: science can have a variety of definitions.   Not all definition implied by accepted usage also imply the involvement of the rigor associated with the physical sciences.

Physics is a scientific belief and is based on truth, which is religion.

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#49
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
Psychology is a rather large field of study. I'm of the opinion that saying this or that field of study is "soft" and others are "hard" is disingenuous. Like the distinction between neurology and behavior psychology (DAT), pears and apples.
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#50
RE: When will psychology finally be recognized as a pseudoscience?
(May 13, 2021 at 3:36 pm)Sal Wrote: Psychology is a rather large field of study. I'm of the opinion that saying this or that field of study is "soft" and others are "hard" is disingenuous. Like the distinction between neurology and behavior psychology (DAT), pears and apples.

I like hard sciences.  A theory can be disproved.  Its usefulness and limitations becomes understood by all.  Mathematics is at its root, and if the numbers don't agree, the theory is wrong (at least in part).

Soft sciences deal in statistics instead of an accurate measurement.  Theories often can't be disproved, and multiple explanations exist for any observation.  It is harder to separate the real science from the pseudo-science.
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