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An odd question
#21
RE: An odd question
Now all you need is a biblical passage saying hell is at the center of the earth.
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#22
RE: An odd question
I felt something was off. The wording and tone were as the kids say very sus.
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#23
RE: An odd question
(June 21, 2021 at 4:18 pm)dudeabides Wrote: If the bible isn't true and I believe it's not, it has some historicity to it but not true. My question is this, how did those goat herders in the desert know the center of the earth was hot? I know it's not Hell but they believed it was and it is the hottest place around in the center of the earth.


A good question, and one akin to many - like how Job knew and declared between approximately 1635 – 1572 B.C. (the Book of Job historically occurring after the events in Genesis) - that GOD "...stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7 (while Pythagoras was the first to propose a round Earth around 500 B.C. and Aristotle concluding the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.; talk much less of the later discovery that the Earth actually orbits the Sun).

The "historicity" of the Holy Bible is inextricably linked to the irrefutable prophecies therein.  Also, it is in fact many things good – history, the law, prophecy… the saving grace and power of GOD from detrimental judgment… “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17

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“…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” - 2 Peter 1:20-21
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#24
RE: An odd question
(July 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(June 21, 2021 at 4:18 pm)dudeabides Wrote: If the bible isn't true and I believe it's not, it has some historicity to it but not true. My question is this, how did those goat herders in the desert know the center of the earth was hot? I know it's not Hell but they believed it was and it is the hottest place around in the center of the earth.


A good question, and one akin to many - like how Job knew and declared between approximately 1635 – 1572 B.C. (the Book of Job historically occurring after the events in Genesis) - that GOD "...stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7 (while Pythagoras was the first to propose a round Earth around 500 B.C.; Aristotle concluding the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.)

The "historicity" of the Holy Bible is inextricably linked to the irrefutable prophecies therein.  Also, it is in fact many things good – history, the law, prophecy… the saving grace and power of GOD from detrimental judgment… “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17

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“…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” - 2 Peter 1:20-21
Yeah and the Mormons have special glasses so they can read their brand of woo....

Horseshit however you package it is still the stuff that comes out of the south end of a northbound nag...
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#25
RE: An odd question
(July 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(June 21, 2021 at 4:18 pm)dudeabides Wrote: If the bible isn't true and I believe it's not, it has some historicity to it but not true. My question is this, how did those goat herders in the desert know the center of the earth was hot? I know it's not Hell but they believed it was and it is the hottest place around in the center of the earth.


A good question, and one akin to many - like how Job knew and declared between approximately 1635 – 1572 B.C. (the Book of Job historically occurring after the events in Genesis) - that GOD "...stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7 (while Pythagoras was the first to propose a round Earth around 500 B.C. and Aristotle concluding the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.; talk much less of the later discovery that the Earth actually orbits the Sun).

The "historicity" of the Holy Bible is inextricably linked to the irrefutable prophecies therein.  Also, it is in fact many things good – history, the law, prophecy… the saving grace and power of GOD from detrimental judgment… “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17

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“…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” - 2 Peter 1:20-21

Job was written much later than that. It was written sometime between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE with the most likely time in the 6th.

By that time, the understanding that the Earth is spherical was well distributed and the idea that it 'hung' on nothing was discussed.

But, of course, the Earth does NOT 'hang' at all. It moves.

Also, the idea that the sky was a dome, sphere, or tend spread out around the sperical Earth was the standard at the time. of course, that is also wrong.
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#26
RE: An odd question
(July 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(June 21, 2021 at 4:18 pm)dudeabides Wrote: If the bible isn't true and I believe it's not, it has some historicity to it but not true. My question is this, how did those goat herders in the desert know the center of the earth was hot? I know it's not Hell but they believed it was and it is the hottest place around in the center of the earth.


A good question, and one akin to many - like how Job knew and declared between approximately 1635 – 1572 B.C. (the Book of Job historically occurring after the events in Genesis) - that GOD "...stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7 (while Pythagoras was the first to propose a round Earth around 500 B.C. and Aristotle concluding the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.; talk much less of the later discovery that the Earth actually orbits the Sun).

The "historicity" of the Holy Bible is inextricably linked to the irrefutable prophecies therein.  Also, it is in fact many things good – history, the law, prophecy… the saving grace and power of GOD from detrimental judgment… “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17

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“…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” - 2 Peter 1:20-21

You do understand what prophesy actually means don't you? Pro-tip, it's not about predicting the future but giving a religious reason to current events (ie between 500BCE and 100BCE).
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#27
RE: An odd question
(July 5, 2021 at 11:53 am)polymath257 Wrote:
(July 4, 2021 at 6:32 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: A good question, and one akin to many - like how Job knew and declared between approximately 1635 – 1572 B.C. (the Book of Job historically occurring after the events in Genesis) - that GOD "...stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." - Job 26:7 (while Pythagoras was the first to propose a round Earth around 500 B.C. and Aristotle concluding the Earth is a sphere around 350 B.C.; talk much less of the later discovery that the Earth actually orbits the Sun).

The "historicity" of the Holy Bible is inextricably linked to the irrefutable prophecies therein.  Also, it is in fact many things good – history, the law, prophecy… the saving grace and power of GOD from detrimental judgment… “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” - Romans 10:17

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“…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” - 2 Peter 1:20-21

Job was written much later than that. It was written sometime between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE with the most likely time in the 6th.

By that time, the understanding that the Earth is spherical was well distributed and the idea that it 'hung' on nothing was discussed.

But, of course, the Earth does NOT 'hang' at all. It moves.

Also, the idea that the sky was a dome, sphere, or tend spread out around the sperical Earth was the standard at the time. of course, that is also wrong.

Your timeline is incorrect, but putting that aside, tell me this... is it more probable or likely that the Earth "moves" (as you state) in the precise manner in which it has and does (like other planets in our galaxy) - particularly around the Sun - as a result of (1). some chance, or rather (2). some design and purpose?
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#28
RE: An odd question
Interesting how a post made by a sock of a sock of a sock can become a thread people can't let go of.
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#29
RE: An odd question
(July 6, 2021 at 11:23 am)Mercyvessel Wrote:
(July 5, 2021 at 11:53 am)polymath257 Wrote: Job was written much later than that. It was written sometime between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE with the most likely time in the 6th.

By that time, the understanding that the Earth is spherical was well distributed and the idea that it 'hung' on nothing was discussed.

But, of course, the Earth does NOT 'hang' at all. It moves.

Also, the idea that the sky was a dome, sphere, or tend spread out around the sperical Earth was the standard at the time. of course, that is also wrong.

Your timeline is incorrect, but putting that aside, tell me this... is it more probable or likely that the Earth "moves" (as you state) in the precise manner in which it has and does (like other planets in our galaxy) - particularly around the Sun - as a result of (1). some chance, or rather (2). some design and purpose?

Not what magic book says. 

Reality does not care about what magic book says. Reality does not care about what you say either.

(July 6, 2021 at 11:25 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Interesting how a post made by a sock of a sock of a sock can become a thread people can't let go of.

Well it is kind of like a sample in a petri dish. One is curious how it works.
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#30
RE: An odd question
(July 6, 2021 at 11:23 am)Mercyvessel Wrote: is it more probable or likely that the Earth "moves" (as you state) in the precise manner in which it has and does (like other planets in our galaxy) - particularly around the Sun - as a result of (1). some chance, or rather (2). some design and purpose?

Humans can see "purpose" in anything, but that means nothing.

Gravity happens.  That leads to the motions of planets. 

If you want to believe that the "purpose" of gravity is to keep the Earth at a cozy distance from the Sun so that You can have a nice summer day at the beach, that is on you.
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