The Liberal Section (USA EDITION)

[theVOID]

He's lost 60% of his audience in 2 years, that is what faux care about.

Murdoch might stick him on the radio and can his TV show.

[Violet]

As for the libertarians you know, it is a case of them calling themselves something they are not. A libertarian by definition cannot be authoritarian (I believe that is the word you meant). Yes, there are lots of different beliefs held within libertarians, as is true of atheists as well. However, like with atheists, there is one common belief:

"all advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom."

So if these people are authoritative, they simply cannot be libertarians, just as someone who believes in God cannot be an atheist.

This is also known as anarchy, but even without government: there is still authority, and also still the possibility of being authoritarian. You may favor personal freedoms a great deal and also fervently believe that the best way to posses these freedoms is under the protection of the powerful/respected/leader(s). Authoritarianism does not necessarily require an absence of personal freedom, only the existence of authoritarian ideals. A government can be minimized and also strict where it does 'intrude' upon the people. Every law is authoritarian.

Much as I dislike people that consider themselves strongly authoritarian: please don't so strongly misrepresent their position. And I don't like libertarians either, but I also try to avoid misrepresenting them when I know what they are.

[HeyItsZeus]

He's lost 60% of his audience in 2 years, that is what faux care about.

Murdoch might stick him on the radio and can his TV show.

That sounds like a smart business move. I wasn't aware that he lost so much of his audience. I suppose Foxpublicans aren't as stupid as I thought.

[Violet]

Don't be a jerk VOID, you have no fucking idea.

Calm down, fr0d0. Chill, relax, breathe

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Suburban = 5 homes...

And you're saying I have no fucking idea...

What's your address? I'll send you a dictionary, one with some circuitry so we can shock you whenever you decide to redefine a word in order to avoid admitting you used it wrong to being with. I'll pack some extra batteries and bang a solar and kinetic charger on it too, it's going to be pumping out a lot of juice at the rate you're going.

As far as I am aware, suburban means only that it is the outlying portions of a city (usually residential).

I redefine words that are stupidly defined (knowledge, faith, etc)... to adequately redefine a word is to be able to defend not only your criticism of the first definition... but also your defense of your new definition. Dictionaries are no more sacrosanct than the bible.

You cannot be simultaneously authoritarian for corporate welfare AND be a libertarian, the people who are should rightly be called 'confused' instead, they espouse two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

You can, actually. There is a spectrum to these things, after all. Before one is liberal or authoritarian: there are the laws and the persons understanding (or absence thereof) of them and why they are there. One does not rebel without reason, false as that may be. One does not follow without cause, misguided and foolish as it could be. Where a Libertarian does accept laws: they have accepted authority. Do you stand to have government punish slavery, rape, murder, etc? If so: you stand with authoritarians on at least every law you accept.

[fr0d0]

Don't be a jerk VOID, you have no fucking idea.

Calm down, fr0d0. Chill, relax, breathe

He is a jerk tho'

As far as I am aware, suburban means only that it is the outlying portions of a city (usually residential).

I redefine words that are stupidly defined (knowledge, faith, etc)... to adequately redefine a word is to be able to defend not only your criticism of the first definition... but also your defense of your new definition. Dictionaries are no more sacrosanct than the bible.

Absolutely Sae. A plea to authority.

Adrian has banned me from chat: he's libertarian except in his own back yard. And for some reason he can't except that he's a posh twat *shrugs*

[theVOID]

I love you too fr0d0



Now, kindly, start using words properly.

[Violet]

He is a jerk tho'

But he loves joo! This is how he shows his love

Absolutely Sae. A plea to authority.

Adrian has banned me from chat: he's libertarian except in his own back yard. And for some reason he can't except that he's a posh twat *shrugs*

It is an authoritative action to ban someone/something. I don't like banning myself, and think that the gauntlet is a great idea (though I'd rather never ban people from it). Spambots can go the way of the dodo of course, but it would be silly to mistake them for members in the first place

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Now, kindly, start using words properly.

Would you kindly not fail when attempting to control someone else's mind?

[Tiberius]

Adrian has banned me from chat: he's libertarian except in his own back yard.

I banned you from the chat because you were getting on my nerves by continually ignoring what I said and just asserting that somehow I was a rich kid. You cannot accept that in this instance you are wrong, and you continue to prod your nose where it has no business. Out of the two of us, I am the one who knows more about my life than you, so kindly stop acting as if you have lived even a day in my shoes.

As for being a libertarian, I see nothing wrong with being a libertarian and banning someone from what is essentially my property. I set up the chatroom, the rules of the forum do not apply, and I can kick / ban anyone I want from it.

And for some reason he can't except that he's a posh twat *shrugs*

...because I'm not a posh twat.

It isn't a black / white issue. I'm not pretending to be in poverty, but just because I'm not what the government sees as "poor" doesn't mean I'm automatically posh or rich. I'm part of the middle class, I just don't have any money, so that would place me at the lower end of the middle class. Deal with it.

[HeyItsZeus]

Fr0ds.... why you gotta be attacking Adrian fo'?

[Violet]

Adrian has banned me from chat: he's libertarian except in his own back yard.

I banned you from the chat because you were getting on my nerves by continually ignoring what I said and just asserting that somehow I was a rich kid. You cannot accept that in this instance you are wrong, and you continue to prod your nose where it has no business. Out of the two of us, I am the one who knows more about my life than you, so kindly stop acting as if you have lived even a day in my shoes.

As for being a libertarian, I see nothing wrong with being a libertarian and banning someone from what is essentially my property. I set up the chatroom, the rules of the forum do not apply, and I can kick / ban anyone I want from it.

When you claim that you believe in minimization or elimination of a governing body because they interfere with your freedoms, yet you wish to be in complete control of everything that you decide you own and to declare what freedoms others have towards what you 'own'... it certainly invites some to believe your are a hypocrite. At the least, it presents to a person that it is not government that you are against: it is government not under your complete control that you are against.

Odder though... is when you claim to have freedom of speech, and then you ban someone because they are getting on your nerves by applying this freedom. Ignoring the man telling crude jokes at the party is fine... preventing him from even being in the party because his jokes offend you is selfish and childish. If you know you're right, and you are tired of arguing with someone about your being right: you stop arguing about it. You do not have to have the last word. Given my experience in the chat room, fr0d0 doesn't talk if you don't talk (excepting the greeting/acknowledgment of your presence).

And for some reason he can't except that he's a posh twat *shrugs*

...because I'm not a posh twat.

It isn't a black / white issue. I'm not pretending to be in poverty, but just because I'm not what the government sees as "poor" doesn't mean I'm automatically posh or rich. I'm part of the middle class, I just don't have any money, so that would place me at the lower end of the middle class. Deal with it.

'Rich' and 'poor' are quite subjective. If you can go to college, have a reasonable standard of living (also subjective), and have a third of your day to do what you will: i'd say you are mildly rich. Others would say you are rich. A handful of obscenely rich people would say you are poor.

Adrian certainly is not a twat. He is a human that wears glasses and manages a forum. I think his forum management powers come from his glasses. If he takes off his glasses, he will become incapable of his considerable technobabble skillz. This is why he always wears glasses while he is on this forum.

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Fr0ds.... why you gotta be attacking Adrian fo'?

Ever woken up on the wrong side of the bed?

I have before, and it scared me. I fell asleep on one side of the bed (boyfriend's left), and woke up on the other (boyfriend's right). If that isn't terrifying, i don't know what is.