Benevolent Creator God?

[The Grand Nudger]

You've never read magic book, have you? Sure, god "tested" his people by ordering them to invade and slaughter and rape and enslave...and then he punishes them for not raping and pillaging hard enough. Greatest story ever told, eh?

I don't think you actually believe that people who issue immoral orders are absolved of the moral responsibility for them when other people carry them out - but..if you do, I'd love to hear why you think so. lets try a mob boss. I mean, he's done nothing wrong, would that be correct? How about the operator of a deathcamp? Morally clear?

[Fake Messiah]

Well, not always, not every bad thing.  God supposedly sends plagues and disasters directly, and then there are those pesky forces of evil operating in the world, satan and demons and whatnot.  According to magic book, ofc.

Anywho, it's difficult to see why a person following an immoral order relieves the issuer of their own moral responsibility for that order.

Because it's a test. If you were issued a test in school, and you failed, would you automatically jump to the conclusion that your teacher must be immoral? You wouldn't do that, if you had any sense. You just failed the test, plain and simple. In this case, your ineptitude says nothing about the morality of the teacher.

It depends on the test. If the test is that teacher infects you with anthrax then the teacher must be immoral. Just as God is immoral when he tests people with plagues and earthquakes. He could give people tests that are not sadistic.

[Brian37]

Because it's a test. If you were issued a test in school, and you failed, would you automatically jump to the conclusion that your teacher must be immoral? You wouldn't do that, if you had any sense. You just failed the test, plain and simple. In this case, your ineptitude says nothing about the morality of the teacher.

It depends on the test. If the test is that teacher infects you with anthrax then the teacher must be immoral. Just as God is immoral when he tests people with plagues and earthquakes. He could give people tests that are not sadistic.

I really fucking hate the "test" argument from believers.

A test is something you take in school or college. A test is something you take to get a job. A test is something you take to get on a sports team. I don't see how it was a "test" for 6 million Jews including unarmed children, women and men, whom were innocent and needlessly murdered, not to mention the estimated 50-60 million dead word wide as a result of WW2. If anyone arguing the existence of an all loving God wants to argue that it is all a "test' then that puts humans in the position of being mere lab rats.

[Abaddon_ire]

So killing every man, woman, child, infant, unborn, animal, plant, fish, amoeba etc. is a good thing to you?

How about human sacrifice? All good? Because bible god demands it?

I fail to see how the (bold) things are bad.

So killing every living thing is a good thing to you? Wipe them out, all of them, says god and you think that is good?

And as for human sacrifice, it was humans doing that shit, not God.

You have clearly not read your magic book. Your god demanded it. Jepthah didn't want to do it, but bible god forced him to. Course, that is some of the bible you never read, if you read any of it.

Since we are on this topic, point out where your god said slavery, owning other people as property, is wrong and immoral. Go ahead.

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And since you want to hang your hat on such nonsense, I bought a new coat two days ago. It is rain proof and all but is composed of mixed fabrics.

According to your god, that is immoral and a sin. Because...WTF?

[Ahriman]

As a necessary disclaimer, I don't really care what it says in the Bible. God never does anything evil. He would rather do nothing at all, than do something evil.

[HappySkeptic]

As a necessary disclaimer, I don't really care what it says in the Bible. God never does anything evil. He would rather do nothing at all, than do something evil.

You don't believe Catholicism, and you don't believe the bible.  Did you invent your own religion, then?  How do you know anything at all about this supposed God?

[LadyForCamus]

As a necessary disclaimer, I don't really care what it says in the Bible. God never does anything evil. He would rather do nothing at all, than do something evil.

How do you know what god would or wouldn’t do?

[Ahriman]

I've spoken with God in my dreams, multiple times. I'll admit, I'm just making inferences based on what He told me.

[Fake Messiah]

As a necessary disclaimer, I don't really care what it says in the Bible. God never does anything evil. He would rather do nothing at all, than do something evil.

Well, isn't doing nothing, when you obviously can stop evil, evil? Isn't there a sin of omission in Catholicism?

Like he can stop Catholic priests not to rape kids, but he does nothing.

[HappySkeptic]

I've spoken with God in my dreams, multiple times. I'll admit, I'm just making inferences based on what He told me.

I may have fooled around with Aphrodite in my dreams.  She told me I was the world's sexiest man.  Thank Zeus it was all real!