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Benevolent Creator God?
RE: Benevolent Creator God? (The Bible is Unreliable Post 2)
(October 2, 2021 at 1:06 am)gracerutherford Wrote: What aspects of the Bible are false? Can you name any example in which there is a contradiction between the contents of the Bible and another verified historical source?

Ezekiel 26:14

Quote: I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.

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(October 2, 2021 at 9:36 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 2, 2021 at 9:27 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: In 2019 an estimated 5.2 million children under 5 years died mostly from preventable and treatable causes. Children aged 1 to 11 months accounted for 1.5 million of these deaths while children aged 1 to 4 years accounted for 1.3 million deaths. Newborns (under 28 days) accounted for the remaining 2.4 million deaths.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheet...-mortality

Let me guess: God did answer their parent's prayers, but the answer was "No".
The parents were being selfish. If a child is meant to die, it's going to die. The parents have no right to petition for an artificial extension of their child's life.

Parents are selfish, thus children have to die. God is also perfect.
I guess, children not dying after parents are selfish would be the result of a less-than-perfect-god

1/10 you are still really sloppy.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(October 5, 2021 at 2:13 pm)gracerutherford Wrote: What's an example of something God does that isn't considered benevolent? 

For example, when God literally says that he creates evil, Isaiah 45:7, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(July 29, 2021 at 11:28 am)Ten Wrote: Why would you make that assumption?

Even if you had evidence of such a Creator telling us that they're good and intend good for us, what evidence do you have of that actually being true?

The problem with the "omni" or "all powerful" God claim is that the ambiguity negates the concept from the start.

If one sticks to the "all powerful" claim, then this claimed being has to be capable of lying. If it is not capable of lying then you have limited it's power by proxy of logic. If you limit it's power, then it cannot be claimed to be "all powerful".

"All Powerful" is merely an excuse to move the goal posts when someone questions their logic.

I love throwing the bible back in their faces when they say "The bible says" or "God Said"

Isiah 45:7  "I create good, I create evil, I the Lord do all these things".

Malachi 2:3 " Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung on your faces."

^^^^^ I once had a theist argue that that was the KJV version, and argued that the NIV had the correct wordage, which used "refuse" not "dung". Ok, trash or poo, is it ok for a parent to punish a child (because we, according to theists, are children of God), is it ok to punish humans like that? Even if their only "crime" is not believing?
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(October 5, 2021 at 4:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 5, 2021 at 4:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: How? It is what your magic book says. One does not need to "read into it" when even a surface skim shows bible god to be evil.
God didn't do anything evil in the Bible, nor does He ever do anything evil.

So killing every man, woman, child, infant, unborn, animal, plant, fish, amoeba etc. is a good thing to you?

How about human sacrifice? All good? Because bible god demands it?
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(October 6, 2021 at 11:59 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(October 5, 2021 at 4:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote: God didn't do anything evil in the Bible, nor does He ever do anything evil.

So killing every man, woman, child, infant, unborn, animal, plant, fish, amoeba etc. is a good thing to you?

How about human sacrifice? All good? Because bible god demands it?
I fail to see how the (bold) things are bad. And as for human sacrifice, it was humans doing that shit, not God.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
"Biblical Christians" seems to consider only the New Testament as The Bible.

The Old Testament, which was mostly written in the period of 850 to 167 BCE, or 500ish years prior to the New Testament, so it's no longer that much older, portrays a god which has been better summarized by Dawkins:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion


The question then becomes, does the Christian consider the god of the Old Testament to be the same as the god of the New Testament?
If yes, then all these features carry over.

If not, then maybe they should stop calling their holy book The Bible, and refer to it only as the New Testament, or something like that.

(October 6, 2021 at 12:30 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 6, 2021 at 11:59 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So killing every man, woman, child, infant, unborn, animal, plant, fish, amoeba etc. is a good thing to you?

How about human sacrifice? All good? Because bible god demands it?
I fail to see how the (bold) things are bad. And as for human sacrifice, it was humans doing that shit, not God.

According to the book, it was God who requested it.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
Quote: According to the book, it was God who requested it.
Yeah but it's not like the humans had to do it. They could've just not done what God was requesting. Humans are always to blame for every bad thing that happens within the human world. God is not to blame for the ineptitude of humans.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(October 6, 2021 at 12:43 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
Quote: According to the book, it was God who requested it.
Yeah but it's not like the humans had to do it. They could've just not done what God was requesting. Humans are always to blame for every bad thing that happens within the human world. God is not to blame for the ineptitude of humans.

So the next time you're tempted to say something stupid, remember, it's not God's fault you're an idiot.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
Well, not always, not every bad thing. God supposedly sends plagues and disasters directly, and then there are those pesky forces of evil operating in the world, satan and demons and whatnot. According to magic book, ofc.

Interestingly enough, it would be those same plagues and disasters and forces of evil working in the world that have convinced some nutball christians they aren't being big enough assholes, yet, to please god.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
(October 6, 2021 at 1:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, not always, not every bad thing.  God supposedly sends plagues and disasters directly, and then there are those pesky forces of evil operating in the world, satan and demons and whatnot.  According to magic book, ofc.

Anywho, it's difficult to see why a person following an immoral order relieves the issuer of their own moral responsibility for that order.
Because it's a test. If you were issued a test in school, and you failed, would you automatically jump to the conclusion that your teacher must be immoral? You wouldn't do that, if you had any sense. You just failed the test, plain and simple. In this case, your ineptitude says nothing about the morality of the teacher.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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