Benevolent Creator God?

[Ahriman]

God sent prophets so that His message could, potentially, be doubted.......He didn't want adherence to His message to be something everyone would agree with, because then everyone would have the same thoughts, and everyone would be a robot.

So we get people rising to power and then enforcing rules that make people be like robots.

   


What's the value in doubting the message?

According to Kloro, the message is primarily "I exist, believe this one guy I randomly chose when he says that I exist".

I want to believe true things and disbelieve false things.
If this thing is true, then I want it to be believable. As it stands, it is so self-serving that I can't believe some people accept it.

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible. His prophets are sent, to show people how to live in accordance with His vision of how people should live. He doesn't demand, or expect, perfect accordance, and He knows some people will not even want to try to live by His standards, but He doesn't care about that.

[pocaracas]

So we get people rising to power and then enforcing rules that make people be like robots.

   


What's the value in doubting the message?

According to Kloro, the message is primarily "I exist, believe this one guy I randomly chose when he says that I exist".

I want to believe true things and disbelieve false things.
If this thing is true, then I want it to be believable. As it stands, it is so self-serving that I can't believe some people accept it.

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible. His prophets are sent, to show people how to live in accordance with His vision of how people should live. He doesn't demand, or expect, perfect accordance, and He knows some people will not even want to try to live by His standards, but He doesn't care about that.

So it doesn't care about people going to war over different views of the god.
Gotcha!

To me, that's not a benevolent god.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So we get people rising to power and then enforcing rules that make people be like robots.

   


What's the value in doubting the message?

According to Kloro, the message is primarily "I exist, believe this one guy I randomly chose when he says that I exist".

I want to believe true things and disbelieve false things.
If this thing is true, then I want it to be believable. As it stands, it is so self-serving that I can't believe some people accept it.

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible. His prophets are sent, to show people how to live in accordance with His vision of how people should live. He doesn't demand, or expect, perfect accordance, and He knows some people will not even want to try to live by His standards, but He doesn't care about that.

If prophets are to set the standard for the rest of us, does that mean I’m allowed to use bears to rip up children who poke fun at me?

Because, you know, that wouldn’t be the worst thing…

Boru

[Ahriman]

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible. His prophets are sent, to show people how to live in accordance with His vision of how people should live. He doesn't demand, or expect, perfect accordance, and He knows some people will not even want to try to live by His standards, but He doesn't care about that.

If prophets are to set the standard for the rest of us, does that mean I’m allowed to use bears to rip up children who poke fun at me?

Because, you know, that wouldn’t be the worst thing…

Boru

If you believe in a prophet who told you that was okay, then go ahead.

[Deesse23]

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible.

He is not omnipotent?

Also, you seem to know a lot of what god thinks and wants. How do you know what god thinks and wants, considering that it's impossible for him to even prove his existence to you? After all, you could be spreading the message of a false god.

[Ahriman]

God isn't trying to prove His existence, because He knows that would be impossible.

He is not omnipotent?

Does it matter?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If prophets are to set the standard for the rest of us, does that mean I’m allowed to use bears to rip up children who poke fun at me?

Because, you know, that wouldn’t be the worst thing…

Boru

If you believe in a prophet who told you that was okay, then go ahead.

It doesn’t matter whether I believe in the prophet or the story (for the record, I don’t). It’s your contention that the prophets were sent to teach us how to live in accordance with God’s vision, so I’m asking: is it God’s vision that we use bears to attack children who misbehave? Remember - it’s YOUR prophet who did this.

Boru

[zwanzig]

If prophets are to set the standard for the rest of us, does that mean I’m allowed to use bears to rip up children who poke fun at me?

Because, you know, that wouldn’t be the worst thing…

Boru

If you believe in a prophet who told you that was okay, then go ahead.

This is the most froo-froo nonsense I ever heard. Here you come in to tell us all about how God really is and what he thinks but then "whatever you wanna believe, that's cool."

[Ahriman]

If you believe in a prophet who told you that was okay, then go ahead.

It doesn’t matter whether I believe in the prophet or the story (for the record, I don’t). It’s your contention that the prophets were sent to teach us how to live in accordance with God’s vision, so I’m asking: is it God’s vision that we use bears to attack children who misbehave? Remember - it’s YOUR prophet who did this.

Boru

You just made up a prophet, who says "use bears to attack children", I don't know of any such prophet, besides the one you made up.

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If you believe in a prophet who told you that was okay, then go ahead.

This is the most froo-froo nonsense I ever heard. Here you come in to tell us all about how God really is and what he thinks but then "whatever you wanna believe, that's cool."

Yeah because believing in a prophet, or not believing in him, is a personal choice, a subjective experience.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It doesn’t matter whether I believe in the prophet or the story (for the record, I don’t). It’s your contention that the prophets were sent to teach us how to live in accordance with God’s vision, so I’m asking: is it God’s vision that we use bears to attack children who misbehave? Remember - it’s YOUR prophet who did this.

Boru

You just made up a prophet, who says "use bears to attack children", I don't know of any such prophet, besides the one you made up.

You’ll find the story in 2 Kings 2:23-25. The prophet in question is Elisha. He’s mentioned in both testaments. He was reputed to be so all-fired holy that just touching his bones restored a dead man to life. Now, I’ll ask again:

Is it your contention that since a prophet, clearly beloved of God, sent bears to rip apart 42 youngsters, that this is part of God’s vision of how I should live?

Boru