Benevolent Creator God?

[Ravenshire]

I was raised in a Catholic family, I was baptized and confirmed in the Church, attended Catholic school (for 12 horrifying years) and did post-graduate work at a largely Catholic university.

So, yeah. I think I know better than you.

Boru

The "horrifying years" part means you didn't learn anything from 12 years of Catholic school.

It means he learned all the important bits you failed to learn.

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Your gawd didn't even know where Adam and Eve were hiding after they chowed down on the apples.

Yes He did. When He asked, "Where are you?", it wasn't that He didn't know where they were or what had happened, it was said as a confirmation that He did, in fact, know what Adam and Eve had done.

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You've never read that nasty book of iron age myths... er.... the buy-bull, have you?

Yes, I've read it.

Have you? Or do you just vomit up the talking points they drilled into you in cathy-lick school? Based on your comments around here, the latter is far more likely.

[Spongebob]

@Klorophyll To side-step the pseudo-logical arguments for a moment, consider a recent analogy. Stay with me, this is not about Trump but religion. Trump lost the 2020 election by millions of votes and it was a solid electoral win as well. However, Trump and his sycophants continue to claim that there was wide spread election fraud, voter fraud, corruption, collusion, you name it, and he actually got more votes than Biden. His followers are adamant that he won and his claims of fraud are true despite there being zero evidence. Not even a hint of evidence despite vast amounts of data. Yet they are certain that Biden and company did something unfair to steal the election. Why should I believe them?

Should I believe them because Trump is popular? Because I like his policies? Because I'm white and he's white? Because lots of people turned out to vote? Because Trump was surprised? On what basis other than pure faith, meaning belief in something despite no evidence and actual evidence to the contrary, should I believe him?

Now apply that to religion and you get the exact same result.

[Ahriman]

The "horrifying years" part means you didn't learn anything from 12 years of Catholic school.

It means he learned all the important bits you failed to learn.

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Yes He did. When He asked, "Where are you?", it wasn't that He didn't know where they were or what had happened, it was said as a confirmation that He did, in fact, know what Adam and Eve had done.

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Yes, I've read it.

Have you? Or do you just vomit up the talking points they drilled into you in cathy-lick school? Based on your comments around here, the latter is far more likely.

I've read it, dude. The whole thing. Not sure what else to tell you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Your gawd didn't even know where Adam and Eve were hiding after they chowed down on the apples.

Yes He did. When He asked, "Where are you?", it wasn't that He didn't know where they were or what had happened, it was said as a confirmation that He did, in fact, know what Adam and Eve had done.

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You've never read that nasty book of iron age myths... er.... the buy-bull, have you?

Yes, I've read it.

You read it, but you missed the whole bit about Elisha and the bears?

Boru

[Ahriman]

Yes He did. When He asked, "Where are you?", it wasn't that He didn't know where they were or what had happened, it was said as a confirmation that He did, in fact, know what Adam and Eve had done.

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Yes, I've read it.

You read it, but you missed the whole bit about Elisha and the bears?

Boru

I don't remember that part.

[LadyForCamus]

Look who’s suddenly active.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Intimately. But what’s that got to do with this?

Boru

God likes to set up opposing factions, and have them play off each other, in order to let people choose what they want. In this case, people are being given a choice as to which prophet(s) to follow.

But God hates discord (says so, right in your Holy Handbook), so why would he create it? 

Maybe that’s another bit you conveniently ‘don’t remember’.

Boru

[Ahriman]

God likes to set up opposing factions, and have them play off each other, in order to let people choose what they want. In this case, people are being given a choice as to which prophet(s) to follow.

But God hates discord (says so, right in your Holy Handbook), so why would he create it? 

Maybe that’s another bit you conveniently ‘don’t remember’.

Boru

He will allow discord to bring about a greater good.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

But God hates discord (says so, right in your Holy Handbook), so why would he create it? 

Maybe that’s another bit you conveniently ‘don’t remember’.

Boru

He will allow discord to bring about a greater good.

Where in the Bible does it say that?

Boru

[Ahriman]

He will allow discord to bring about a greater good.

Where in the Bible does it say that?

Boru

Job is the best example.