GOP's stranglehold on Cuban-American's vote.

[Brian37]

You’re overthinking it Brian.  They see Mexicans, they don’t like Mexicans, and they don’t like being confused for Mexicans.  They -especially- don’t want to be treated like Mexicans.

It’s called buy in.  European immigrants did the same.

If you read all of my posts, I made it clear that tribalism is unfortunately universal.

I said in a prior post that my  Japanese x wife hated being confused for Korean. I had a Puerto Rican co worker whom hated being confused with Mexicans. 

Even in America, having traveled overseas  myself. I don't like being confused with center of the country. Even in America, white Californians have little in common with white Oklahomans or white New Yorkers. My x Japanese wife told me, even in Japan, there is a huge dialect. cultural difference between the tips  of the far north of Japan closer to Russia than the far southern tip Okinawa in the tropics. 

Even in my travels in America, I have had many points interacting with others as pale as me, and had to have had to ask them to repeat themselves. 

In Australia they call wall sockets, outlets, "power points". On my first trip there, I found out I need a different power cord to use my computer. My host kept on repeating, "No worries, we will get you the proper "Powerpoint". I kept on thinking, "Why the fuck do I need new software?" I simply wanted a power cord so I could plug my computer into the wall. "Powerpoint" to them is the same as "plug" or "wall socket" or "outlet". 

Oh and if you want shrimp in Australia, you don't call it shrimp, they call them "prawns".  And if you ask for "chicken wings" they give you the entire wing of an adult chicken, not the winglets or drumlets we think of here. 

Ask for a "hamburger" you will get literally a slice of ham and not the American beef burger. And if you do get an American style beef burger, it will include a slice of beat root and carrots shavings.

[arewethereyet]

Take your meds Brian.

[onlinebiker]

Hell... Take ANYBODYS.....

[Spongebob]

Ever since I can remember, back in the 80s and even now, it astounds me how anyone whom rightfully escapes Cuba's communism comes to America and votes for a party that clearly panders to a xenophobic base. And even on economics. the GOP have been masters in that same time, of selling the idea that if you dare question or tax billionaires somehow, you want to become like Cuba.

Why the boomerang? Economies don't have to be "Che/Castro vs Ayn Rand". Some on the far left, whom I do not agree with, being a liberal myself, have pointed to Cuba's free medical care and higher education. But then as a result, those on the far right shout "SEE SEE SEE, THEY DO WANT COMMUNISM." 

I'd argue that you can have both an open market, and a fair market, and the private sector, and affordable living without infringing on personal freedom.

Being a liberal, I don't like Hitler, or Stalin or Castro, or even China's oppressive politics. But currently in America, there is imbalance of power and wealth between the top and the bottom. Questioning someone in Jeff Bezo's class does not mean I love Castro, or China's politics. It merely means we are currently lopsided as far as having a voice in government and the results that come out of our voices. 

Marco Rubio to me, is a horrible representative for Cuban refugees, and even poor rural whites that his party appeals to nationally. I want freedom for Cubans. I also want urban and rural workers to be stable too. I don't see how Jeff Bezos is helping humanity in this respect when his class's wealth is astronomically and epically far higher than the low level workers giant corporations make. 

Why cant we have universal health care and affordable living and value freedom?  

The GOP would argue the only class that knows what is best for everyone else are billionaires. But to Marco, why does he never talk about the fact that when Fidel Castro died, he had a personal estimated wealth of $800 million dollars? Why does the GOP never point out that the Saudi Royal Family are billionaires? Why do they never point out the fact that Gadaffi was a billionaire?

Why do the GOP ignore that if one were to visit Beijing China, one can find Apple stores and McDonald's? Billionaires are not a patent held by the open west. There is not one nation, friend or foe, that does not invest in the global market.

I hate states that silence journalists, and oppress dissent. American Cubans can do far better than the GOP and Marco.

I think you raised more than one question with this OP.

One mistake many Americans make is lumping all Latino-American cultures together, as though their common-ish language and skin tone indicate a distinct and unilateral culture when their culture and politics are as diverse as that of the United States.  Cubans for the last 2 or 3 generations have been exposed to the effects of communism and a dictator who stole private property and killed citizens to consolidate power.  Most Cubans have a culture in Florida that insulates them from the true disdain that most WASPs have for Latinos of any sort.  This and their continued hatred of the controlling regime in Cuba informs their politics to some degree.

But the other issue you brought up is simply due to the willing lobotomy that many, many, many WASPs have undergone.  My parents are excellent examples of this.  They voted for Jimmy Carter and were very suspicious of Regan in his first term.  But decades of continual church-borne indoctrination have them now believing that Carter was the one who sold weapons to the contras and handed over Americans to the Iranians as hostages.  On just about any topic I ask them, they believe the unbelievable.  It's as if their brains had been scooped out and replaced with oatmeal, strawberry flavor of course.  This occurs more in insular, smaller, rural towns than anywhere else.  To them, the Democratic party is a group of international child porn socialistic baby-killers and each and every one has sworn an oath to Satan.  I fucking kid you not.  For the GOP, there can be no in between; there can be only us and them.  It's the most ingenious political plot of our time and it has worked like a miracle.  I have friends whom I was once very close to, but after 2 decades of a daily diet of Fox News, I no longer even recognize them.  They now sound like mindless idiots.

[The Grand Nudger]

Alot of that going around. Kids estranged from parents, friends from each other.

He’ll, theyve been eating -their own- for the past few years, having run out of actual dems and leftists to distance themselves from.

[Spongebob]

After reading several articles online, my understanding is that Cuban-Americans associate Democrats with socialism (as stupid as that association is). Granted, these people aren't any smarter than the average Amurikan. They also want Cuba's government to be overthrown and re-established as a republic or some such shit, as if it was anything but a banana republic before Castro. At such point I presume many would emigrate back to the island.

[The Grand Nudger]

Their grandparents might have. The current crop wont. A mass repatriation to cuba would be easily arranged. No one's biting - even though the cuba of today is not the (already mythical) cuba of the 60's and 70's. The GOPs stranglehold of the cuban vote has no high minded political origin. It's appealed to them for the same reason that it appeals to their contemporaries.

[Mashmont]

Ever since I can remember, back in the 80s and even now, it astounds me how anyone whom rightfully escapes Cuba's communism comes to America and votes for a party that clearly panders to a xenophobic base. And even on economics. the GOP have been masters in that same time, of selling the idea that if you dare question or tax billionaires somehow, you want to become like Cuba.

Why the boomerang? Economies don't have to be "Che/Castro vs Ayn Rand". Some on the far left, whom I do not agree with, being a liberal myself, have pointed to Cuba's free medical care and higher education. But then as a result, those on the far right shout "SEE SEE SEE, THEY DO WANT COMMUNISM." 

I'd argue that you can have both an open market, and a fair market, and the private sector, and affordable living without infringing on personal freedom.

Being a liberal, I don't like Hitler, or Stalin or Castro, or even China's oppressive politics. But currently in America, there is imbalance of power and wealth between the top and the bottom. Questioning someone in Jeff Bezo's class does not mean I love Castro, or China's politics. It merely means we are currently lopsided as far as having a voice in government and the results that come out of our voices. 

Marco Rubio to me, is a horrible representative for Cuban refugees, and even poor rural whites that his party appeals to nationally. I want freedom for Cubans. I also want urban and rural workers to be stable too. I don't see how Jeff Bezos is helping humanity in this respect when his class's wealth is astronomically and epically far higher than the low level workers giant corporations make. 

Why cant we have universal health care and affordable living and value freedom?  

The GOP would argue the only class that knows what is best for everyone else are billionaires. But to Marco, why does he never talk about the fact that when Fidel Castro died, he had a personal estimated wealth of $800 million dollars? Why does the GOP never point out that the Saudi Royal Family are billionaires? Why do they never point out the fact that Gadaffi was a billionaire?

Why do the GOP ignore that if one were to visit Beijing China, one can find Apple stores and McDonald's? Billionaires are not a patent held by the open west. There is not one nation, friend or foe, that does not invest in the global market.

I hate states that silence journalists, and oppress dissent. American Cubans can do far better than the GOP and Marco.

It's very simple.  Cubans lived under a leftist Marxist regime, and know first-hand the terrors of it.   So in America, we have a party, the Democrats, who are leading America right down that same path of Marxism...socialized heath care,  confiscation of guns,...the very same pattern Venezuela followed a decade ago.
What I don't get is why anyone would expect Cubans to vote any other way than Republican.

[Fake Messiah]

So in America, we have a party, the Democrats, who are leading America right down that same path of Marxism...socialized heath care,  confiscation of guns,...

The United Kingdom provides public healthcare to all residents, and is paid for by general taxation. They also prohibit people to own fully automatic and submachine-guns. And yet, the UK is not Marxist. Figure that out.

[Spongebob]

I started a new thread specifically about Marxism. Socialized healthcare has essentially nothing to do with Marxism. You could call it socialism if you like, but it in no way is a negative policy for those cultures who have embraced it, which is most other industrialized nations. In the 90s the GOP embarked on a campaign to demonize socialized healthcare. Guess what, it worked wonderfully. An entire generation of Republicans now hate it as a direct result of that effort. The primary instigator has recanted now and admits it was mostly manufactured nonsense. This is now a matter of public record so there's no sense in denying it.

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