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Can't get the link to work here but.
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RE: Can't get the link to work here but.
(July 29, 2021 at 2:38 pm)brewer Wrote: Antone else hear very tiny violins?

Damn, I thought is was my tinnitus.
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(July 29, 2021 at 2:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(July 29, 2021 at 2:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The impala doesn’t want or not want anything. Its behaviour is the end result of thousands and thousands of generations of evolution. An impala can’t help running from a cheetah any more than a cheetah can help chasing an impala. Choice and desire don’t enter into these things.

Boru

Avoiding death is pretty much the same goal of all life.

Not true. Even if it were, it isn’t a goal in the sense that you’re using the word - it’s more like a pre-programmed impetus. The impala isn’t running away because it’s trying to avoid death. It’s running away because it can’t stop itself from running away.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#13
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Somebody watched Bambi one too many times without their medication....
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(July 29, 2021 at 2:08 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I am an underdog type of guy when watching nature shows. Now while I get that every species, even predators have to eat, I have  tendency to root for the prey to escape, especially if it is smaller. I am no fan of bullies. 

Just now I watched a video where a cheetah and hyena fight over what I think/guess was an impala. 

Normally the predator will clasp the prey's neck to suffocate it. But in this instance the two predators thought the impala was dead. It laid perfectly stiff and played dead and while it did that, the cheetah and hyena faced off against each other. The hyena briefly chased the cheetah off, then went back to sniff bite the belly of the impala, it stayed stiff, but suddenly when the hyena took it's eyes off it, to keep watch of the cheetah, the impala suddenly jumped up and ran away leaving neither of them with a meal.

You talk about a Oscar winning performance.

I sometimes fantasize that one day soon you will be eaten by a lion or mauled to death by a bear. Different strokes for different folks.
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(July 29, 2021 at 2:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 29, 2021 at 2:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Avoiding death is pretty much the same goal of all life.

Not true. Even if it were, it isn’t a goal in the sense that you’re using the word - it’s more like a pre-programmed impetus. The impala isn’t running away because it’s trying to avoid death. It’s running away because it can’t stop itself from running away.

Boru

What? It is running away just to run away? Are you kidding me?

A long time ago, when I was delivering pizzas, I got a delivery to a hotel late at night. It was one of those where all the doors were face out, not interior. And it had split walkway in the middle that lead to both sides parking lots.  When I approached the first side driving in, I looked at all the door numbers, but suddenly noticed someone peering out of the walkway that split the building, hiding behind an ice /soda machine  barrier. I slowly went around the building to the other side of that walkway, and noticed him again, peering at me. My "Spidey Senses" went off. And instead of trying to continue to find the room, I went to the front desk and asked them if anyone from the room called in was occupying that room. The answer was no. So what most likely happened was that a renter of one of the rooms, in another room, was looking to set me up for a robbery. 


What does that have to do with a Cheetah or hyena or impala?  Catching food for most life involves deception. Even humans use fishing lures for bait. But life to avoid death, also recognizes patterns to avoid death too. 

I am very certain in the context of my story, if I had not payed attention, I would have been robbed or worse. 

In the context of this impala escaping, it played dead and survived. I don't think it was mere reaction. That impala certainly took a risk playing dead, but it, like I did in avoiding a potential robbery, it assessed the situation and did the best it could do to survive, and did. 

If we are going to chalk the impala's survival up to reaction and luck, then explain the Venus Flytrap that also relies on luck to eat flies.

Evolution isn't about always merely reacting, or luck. It is both. Life is a crapshoot. But it most certainly isn't divine or the product of sky heros.
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(July 29, 2021 at 3:37 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(July 29, 2021 at 2:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not true. Even if it were, it isn’t a goal in the sense that you’re using the word - it’s more like a pre-programmed impetus. The impala isn’t running away because it’s trying to avoid death. It’s running away because it can’t stop itself from running away.

Boru

What? It is running away just to run away? Are you kidding me?

A long time ago, when I was delivering pizzas, I got a delivery to a hotel late at night. It was one of those where all the doors were face out, not interior. And it had split walkway in the middle that lead to both sides parking lots.  When I approached the first side driving in, I looked at all the door numbers, but suddenly noticed someone peering out of the walkway that split the building, hiding behind an ice /soda machine  barrier. I slowly went around the building to the other side of that walkway, and noticed him again, peering at me. My "Spidey Senses" went off. And instead of trying to continue to find the room, I went to the front desk and asked them if anyone from the room called in was occupying that room. The answer was no. So what most likely happened was that a renter of one of the rooms, in another room, was looking to set me up for a robbery. 


What does that have to do with a Cheetah or hyena or impala?  Catching food for most life involves deception. Even humans use fishing lures for bait. But life to avoid death, also recognizes patterns to avoid death too. 

I am very certain in the context of my story, if I had not payed attention, I would have been robbed or worse. 

In the context of this impala escaping, it played dead and survived. I don't think it was mere reaction. That impala certainly took a risk playing dead, but it, like I did in avoiding a potential robbery, it assessed the situation and did the best it could do to survive, and did. 

If we are going to chalk the impala's survival up to reaction and luck, then explain the Venus Flytrap that also relies on luck to eat flies.

Evolution isn't about always merely reacting, or luck. It is both. Life is a crapshoot. But it most certainly isn't divine or the product of sky heros.

It’s running away because it senses danger. It can’t do anything else. I wish you could find a link that works.

[not responding to the pizza story]

Venus flytraps do NOT rely on luck to catch their prey (and - despite the name - they rarely consume flies).

No one said evolution was divine.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#17
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I actually found a working link.

I don't care what anyone thinks of my arguments. This is STILL an amazing story of survival.



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(July 29, 2021 at 3:54 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I actually found a working link.

I don't care what anyone thinks of my arguments. This is STILL an amazing story of survival.




Alternately, it could be a heart-wrenching story of starvation.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Life is brutal. Get over it.
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#20
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Seen it.  Prolly staged.

37, you can discuss a video without including one of your 4-5 talking points/hangups.  That's why readers react with eyerolls and 

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