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What did Freud get right?
#11
RE: What did Freud get right?
The way he spelled his name.
I'm pretty sure mommy showed him the bad touch.
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#12
RE: What did Freud get right?
(August 25, 2021 at 5:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Was he right about cocaine? Absolutely.

But what about talk therapy? Maybe. Studies have indicated that talk therapy's influence on recovery from mental illness may be negligible. As one of my psych profs explained to me, most of the data supporting talk therapy is based on what recovered individuals name as the cause of recovery. Meaning, people who have had talk therapy generally think IT was an instrumental factor in their recovery. But studies that focus on results only find the influence of talk therapy negligible.

Can't view the NY Times without subscribing. I don't read it enough to put out.

That depends on what you consider mental illness and what is considered recovered. For some illnesses there is never recovery and I'll agree that there are many mental illnesses where talk therapy is not effective. But even in those illnesses talk therapy can provide a support system.

It is certainly not a failure. Can't tell you how many psychologists, social workers, addiction counselors, ................ tell me that it is their primary tool, and is often a secondary tool to the primary treatment (medication). Think of how many conditions that have directed support groups. CBT is talk therapy.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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#13
RE: What did Freud get right?
(August 25, 2021 at 5:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(August 25, 2021 at 3:44 pm)brewer Wrote: The effect of the unconscious mind.

The existence of defense mechanisms.

The fear/resistance of change.

The idea of transference.

Talk therapy.

Cocaine.

Was he right about cocaine? Absolutely.

But what about talk therapy? Maybe. Studies have indicated that talk therapy's influence on recovery from mental illness may be negligible. As one of my psych profs explained to me, most of the data supporting talk therapy is based on what recovered individuals name as the cause of recovery. Meaning, people who have had talk therapy generally think IT was an instrumental factor in their recovery. But studies that focus on results only find the influence of talk therapy negligible.
I have found it incredibly effective in some cases and at least very helpful in others.
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#14
RE: What did Freud get right?
I don't think talk therapy was his best idea. I don't think it's a useless idea either. That's just one thing that one study suggested. But it's worth bringing up.

(August 25, 2021 at 5:58 pm)brewer Wrote: Can't view the NY Times without subscribing.


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#15
RE: What did Freud get right?
(August 25, 2021 at 6:15 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I don't think talk therapy was his best idea. I don't think it's a useless idea either. That's just one thing that one study suggested. But it's worth bringing up.

(August 25, 2021 at 5:58 pm)brewer Wrote: Can't view the NY Times without subscribing.



I agree, talk therapy should not be the primary treatment for clinical depression. But I do recommend that people who take anti-depressants, especially in the beginning, also seek out some form of talk therapy.

Thanks for the free read!
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#16
RE: What did Freud get right?
(August 25, 2021 at 5:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(August 25, 2021 at 3:44 pm)brewer Wrote: The effect of the unconscious mind.

The existence of defense mechanisms.

The fear/resistance of change.

The idea of transference.

Talk therapy.

Cocaine.

Was he right about cocaine? Absolutely.

But what about talk therapy? Maybe. Studies have indicated that talk therapy's influence on recovery from mental illness may be negligible. As one of my psych profs explained to me, most of the data supporting talk therapy is based on what recovered individuals name as the cause of recovery. Meaning, people who have had talk therapy generally think IT was an instrumental factor in their recovery. But studies that focus on results only find the influence of talk therapy negligible.

Cocaine is a subject for another time... Blush

In my experience, talk therapy was helpful in getting some perspective with a couple of life events...such as the death of my first husband. It was uncharted territory and I really didn't know where to go with what I was thinking and feeling. Having a third party to speak with that wasn't emotionally invested was helpful to see through the fog. It was also helpful to me when I finally made the break with my mother...in fact, it was crucial. These were very specific events and I am not sure that talk therapy is as useful for mental illness since that is often a chemical imbalance. I'm sure for some people talking it out does help on some levels.

I saw that for situational depressive states it was helpful to me.
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RE: What did Freud get right?
(August 25, 2021 at 7:00 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(August 25, 2021 at 5:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Was he right about cocaine? Absolutely.

But what about talk therapy? Maybe. Studies have indicated that talk therapy's influence on recovery from mental illness may be negligible. As one of my psych profs explained to me, most of the data supporting talk therapy is based on what recovered individuals name as the cause of recovery. Meaning, people who have had talk therapy generally think IT was an instrumental factor in their recovery. But studies that focus on results only find the influence of talk therapy negligible.

Cocaine is a subject for another time... Blush

In my experience, talk therapy was helpful in getting some perspective with a couple of life events...such as the death of my first husband.  It was uncharted territory and I really didn't know where to go with what I was thinking and feeling.  Having a third party to speak with that wasn't emotionally invested was helpful to see through the fog.  It was also helpful to me when I finally made the break with my mother...in fact, it was crucial.  These were very specific events and I am not sure that talk therapy is as useful for mental illness since that is often a chemical imbalance.  I'm sure for some people talking it out does help on some levels.

I saw that for situational depressive states it was helpful to me.

Thanks for addressing intrinsic vs extrinsic.
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#18
RE: What did Freud get right?
As bad as Freud was in most areas, he did help Sherlock Holmes break his cocaine addiction and come to terms with the childhood trauma of seeing his father kill his mother. That’s gotta count for something.

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