Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Fireball]

No, it's not a contradiction and I don't see any point you are making here. The Premiere said we need to heal the divide, but he didn't outright say he was giving in to any demands. This is how politicians speak. If the Premiere was already inclined to do this and this gave him the extra push needed, that's still a win and we'll take it.

Both sides have been spreading dis/misinformation, but for some reason you always have an excuse to cover for your side when they are shown to be wrong over and over again. Fauci and the establishment spread the lie that vaccinations were the route to herd immunity with covid. This narrative turned out to be completely false, and the establishment and Fauci were either completely guessing and throwing shit at the wind, or they outright lied. You, Rev. Rye, and Sungula and others posted misinformation and claimed that vaccination was better than natural immunity. You were wrong. Why did you post misinformation? I believe it was Nudge who posted that Omicron was only less severe for the vaccinated. Again, this is misinformation, and I showed this to be misinformation. President Joe Biden, Rachel Maddow, the ladies of the View, and on and on told us that vaccinated people are not going to get the virus or pass it on. Lies. According to you, my side of this, who can't read and are basically all retards, should just completely submit to the mainstream and their falsehoods when they lie over and over again, and you smear us as hating science when your side has been debunked by science over and over again? You need to take a long look in the mirror and at your own side.

Show us on the doll where Fauci hurt you.

Your obsession with him is getting ridiculous.

He's not even in the right country to be bitching about Fauci. 

[Irreligious Atheist]

Yeah, do the opposite of what this guy says. This is really bad advice. You should be spending plenty of time outdoors. Chance of spread is much lower outdoors and you need the vitamin D and exercise, and the internet can not replace real life interaction.

No.

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It simply is not your fault if a given poster cannot decide their own gender.

It might even be revealing in a way.

What if they're bigender, genderfluid, genderless or otherwise non-binary? I'm an enby myself. Revealing in what way?

I think they were hinting that maybe I'm playing a character on here or something and I can't remember what gender my supposed character is supposed to be, and not hinting that it's wrong to be NB. I'm not playing any character. My gender has been listed in my profile, and putting a female in my avatar was not me trying to pass myself off as a female. Some can be a little paranoid on here, and if you disagree with them on certain issues, they might accuse you of playing a character or being a secret Christian or something. The jokes on them though. I'm actually a secret Muslim.

[Irreligious Atheist]

The vaccines likely would have been a route to herd immunity if enough people actually took them reach herd immunity.  With Delta, it would have been something like 80%, so if 20% refused to take it, we wouldn’t reach it.

And, bear in mind, a lot of the “misinformation” that Sung, Khem, and I posted was backed up by peer-reviewed research into the vaccine. And when you tried the same thing instead of people just talking shit on YouTube, you managed to conveniently misread the results of the study.

Also, unlike you, I tend to draw a difference between information that’s out of date and outright misinformation. A lot of “the narrative” worked well for the first variants, but given that omicron was different from the alpha and delta variants, some things had to change to work.

To quote John Maynard Keynes (allegedly) “when the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?” The mainstream narrative changes because we find out more about the diseases, either because time passes and things become clearer, or because a new variant comes along and changes the rules. And what has your lot (and if not exactly your lot, the lot you’ve fallen in with) been doing about the pandemic? Well, since a few weeks after shit got real, you’ve been doing everything in your power to downplay how serious it is and decry any and all measures to try and contain the spread. I suppose it might mean you’ve been more consistent over the last two years, but consistency is only a virtue if you aren’t a total fuck-up.

You're just guessing when it comes to herd immunity coming from these vaccines. Herd immunity from mass infections is far, far more likely as Omicron is appearing to be the best "vaccine" so far. It appears that they BS'd people to coerce more people into getting vaccinated by lying about herd immunity. And people like Fauci are still being anti-scientific by refusing to take natural immunity into account when it comes to vaccine mandates. Fauci is a politician. It's not his job to give us the truth. It's his job to continue pushing the broken narrative.

And yes, thank you. Information changes and evolves during a quickly evolving situation like the one we are in. All the more reason to allow debate between different scientists and doctors online, and not censor these people. You don't get an accurate, true consensus in a rapidly evolving situation by shutting down one side of the debate. That's called a fake, manufactured consensus. "Follow the science" is a deeply, deeply religious statement. I refuse to "follow the science". I follow the scientific method, not "the science" that the priest class hands down to the peasants who can't think for themselves.

Sungala claimed that it was a lie that natural immunity is better than vaccination, and he agreed that scientists spreading this "misinformation" should be banned off of twitter and places like that, because that "misinformation" was harmful to people. Well, those supposed harmful lies actually turned out to be true. Sungala heralded his supposed "facts" as "the science" and "the truth", and his "the science" turned out to be a sham. Sungala wanted to shut down scientific debate and discussion because it offended his sensibilities. He wanted to censor the truth. His whole house of cards crumbles when the things he wants to censor turn out to be true. "Follow the science" is the most anti-scientific phrase I've ever heard.

And of course there are a lot of fucked up people on the vaccine hesitant side. People who think the vaccine is a bio weapon, or this or that. The establishment has a fair deal of blame to take on when it comes to creating these types of people, and the Q Anon types. When Fox News is a propaganda arm for the Rs and most other news stations are propaganda arms for the Ds, people are going to say f this, and look elsewhere for their news, and much of the time, they're going to run to conspiracy theories, Q Anon BS, and thinking government psy-ops are all over the place and Sandy Hook didn't happen and etc. Mainstream media lied to these vulnerable people, so they went online and found another lie that they enjoyed better and went with that. Why do I support even Alex Jones and Holocaust deniers being able to spout their shit on social media? Because first they came for Alex Jones, and then they came for Hassan Piker, TJ Kirk, etc and even one of Kyle Kulinski's podcasts with Rogan has now been taken down. And I was called crazy, but I knew all of this would happen. It was beyond obvious to anyone truly paying attention to the agenda. If you want less Q Anoner's and people who think the vaccine is a bio weapon, maybe the mainstream should give people an actual reason to trust them. You expect people to respect and believe health organizations like the WHO when the WHO is doing sham investigations into China that even the Biden admin said was a sham? So yeah, I'm certainly not willing to stand behind everyone on "my side" of the vaccine mandate debate, and we can agree that there is a lot of bad shit in there, but even if they have come to the right conclusion (being anti-mandate) for the wrong reasons, I'm still glad they are anti-mandate because that is the moral position to be taking here imo. I bet you're against the stopping and frisking of black people, even though doing so could save some lives by getting guns off the streets. I bet you are against the government putting cameras in everyone's homes, even if doing so could put away domestic abusers and perhaps save some women's lives. Our liberties matter, even if someone not getting that jab might make their society a little bit worse in the short run. In the long run, society is far better when we don't lose those liberties.

[Irreligious Atheist]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/09/health/co...index.html

For the first time in more than a month, there are fewer than 100,000 hospital beds in use for patients with Covid-19 nationwide, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services.
That's a 38% drop from a few weeks ago, when Covid-19 hospitalizations reached a peak of more than 160,000 beds in use at one time.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah, it's almost as if public health measures work or something, isn't it?

[arewethereyet]

I would like to know what other specific illness is filling 100K beds at one time. And what are we doing about it if such a condition exists.

Not 'cancer' which covers a tremendous range of types...but one SPECIFIC medical condition that's filling beds in our hospitals in the 6 figure range.

[Irreligious Atheist]

More good news. My province, Ontario, dropping vax passport system soon.

[arewethereyet]

Took another dump, I see.

Luckily in the right place.

[brewer]

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Watching professionals administer the 'Five minute R.A.T. test' to people comming on site as per mandatory company policy.

I realize/know they aren't quite as good as the Gov'mint set ups at the Rail Stations and Uni's but hey, every one pulling together and doing their bit to stay ahead of the spread.


Edit: Why, yes masks are also mandatory. Why do you ask?