Atheists in church

[UniverseCaptain]

Humans are animals.

Not entirely true. Do you see any animals inventing cars or the Internet?

Humans are animals.

[Foxaèr]

Biologically, humans are animals:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

It's science, something you learn in school if you pay attention in class.

[Fake Messiah]

Not entirely true. Do you see any animals inventing cars or the Internet?

Then you contradict yourself because you say that humans should not do BDSM because it's not natural since animals don't do it, but then you say that animals don't do cars and the internet, so that means humans should not do cars and the internet also because animals don't do cars and the internet and therefore it is not natural.

[Ahriman]

Not entirely true. Do you see any animals inventing cars or the Internet?

Then you contradict yourself because you say that humans should not do BDSM because it's not natural since animals don't do it, but then you say that animals don't do cars and the internet, so that means humans should not do cars and the internet also because animals don't do cars and the internet and therefore it is not natural.

False equivalency.

[Fake Messiah]

Then you contradict yourself because you say that humans should not do BDSM because it's not natural since animals don't do it, but then you say that animals don't do cars and the internet, so that means humans should not do cars and the internet also because animals don't do cars and the internet and therefore it is not natural.

False equivalency.

Why is it false equivalency? Is it because you don't like BDSM, but you like cars and the internet?

[Ahriman]

False equivalency.

Why is it false equivalency? Is it because you don't like BDSM, but you like cars and the internet?

Cars and the Internet serve a utilitarian purpose. BDSM does not.

[zebo-the-fat]

Wearing clothes, or a hearing aid or glasses are not natural.... ban them!

If the partners agree to BDSM and it's safe for everyone involved it's no one elses business, no one is harmed (if things are done correctly) so what's your problem?
In the end, if you don't like then don't do it, I don't like the taste of vinagar, I don't use it, but I would never tell you not to use it

[UniverseCaptain]

Why is it false equivalency? Is it because you don't like BDSM, but you like cars and the internet?

Cars and the Internet serve a utilitarian purpose. BDSM does not.

It's not natural to go all in with pocket aces pre flop brah

[Fake Messiah]

Why is it false equivalency? Is it because you don't like BDSM, but you like cars and the internet?

Cars and the Internet serve a utilitarian purpose. BDSM does not.

Needless to say that cars and the internet are not always used for utilitarianism.

Besides, who are you say that BDSM is not utilitarian? If it makes someone a happy and better functioning person in society, then it's utilitarian.

[Spongebob]

That's certainly untrue.  As I said, every church (I should say most) is made up of a community of people who come together for more than just religious worship.  It's a complex mixture of culture, religion, community, relationships and more.  I know for a fact that there were non-believers who attended the same church I did (I've been to many over the years).  You appear to be applying your own experiences and biases and generalizing over all other churches.  This is almost always a mistake.  And regardless if we consider their beliefs to be fairytales (and I do), religious faith still has strong power to bring people together and to motivate people for good or bad purposes.  To say they are "just" playing fairytales is overly reductive.

You are being overelaborate. Life is much more basic than you think.

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It's inappropriate in a way you wouldn't understand.

Marriage is pointless, means nothing. I can fuck who I want if I'm married or not, if they consent (of legal age obviously*). If you consider cheating after marrying immoral I can accept that you can form a valid argument for it. But you need to realise some relationships, even marriages, are "open" (some two sided open, some one sided). Cheating in a relationship isn't something I've done. I could see why someone could think it's not immoral though. But you are actually considering pre marital sex immoral (assuming consent granted), you're ridiculous! Don't you enjoy having fun?

Both of these are your opinions and don't necessarily apply to others.  Marriage is defined by the people involved, not a third party.  And marriage, like church and religion, can be a complex thing and different for different people.  You can simplify marriage if you want and say it's just a contract, but that's just a convenient definition and doesn't include the actual parameters involved.  Don't fool yourself into thinking you understand these things if you think they are so simple.  You are doing the same thing many Christians do when they say a fallen Christian who became and atheist was never a true Christian.  You're pretending to know what others think.  In fact, I would say that your conclusion that life is more basic than I think is exactly the opposite of true.