Sea level rise in 3 to 5 years.

[Goosebump]

[Jehanne]

Catastrophic climate change is something that we, as a species, have decided to collectively ignore, with a few exceptions. For instance, Al Gore's second movie did far worse than did his first. In my opinion, there exists within the financial markets unstoppable pressure to maximize the flow of capital that individuals, if they wish to remain employed and keep their homes and cars, have no choice but to participate in the world capitalistic system, and right now, the burning of fossil fuels is the lowest cost and most efficient way to maximize capital, which is why we continue to do it, at least until the environmental bubble bursts.

[Goosebump]

Catastrophic climate change is something that we, as a species, have decided to collectively ignore, with a few exceptions.  For instance, Al Gore's second movie did far worse than did his first.  In my opinion, there exists within  the financial markets unstoppable pressure to maximize the flow of capital that individuals, if they wish to remain employed  and keep their homes and cars, have no choice but to participate in the world capitalistic system, and right now, the burning of fossil fuels is the lowest cost and most efficient way to maximize capital, which is why we continue to do it, at least until the environmental bubble bursts.

Well durr. I mean, duh. Do you have any personal plans to deal with it? Like heading for the hills and what now?

[Jehanne]

Catastrophic climate change is something that we, as a species, have decided to collectively ignore, with a few exceptions.  For instance, Al Gore's second movie did far worse than did his first.  In my opinion, there exists within  the financial markets unstoppable pressure to maximize the flow of capital that individuals, if they wish to remain employed  and keep their homes and cars, have no choice but to participate in the world capitalistic system, and right now, the burning of fossil fuels is the lowest cost and most efficient way to maximize capital, which is why we continue to do it, at least until the environmental bubble bursts.

Well durr. I mean, duh. Do you have any personal plans to deal with it? Like heading for the hills and what now?

I live in Iowa, and have no where else to go. We'll probably see more floods along the Cedar River (which is 2 miles from my home), Derechos, tornados and heavy snowstorms (like we got yesterday), etc. I just hope that my home survives; some within a few blocks of mine have gotten destroyed (but, new homes have gotten rebuilt in their place).

[Goosebump]

Well durr. I mean, duh. Do you have any personal plans to deal with it? Like heading for the hills and what now?

I live in Iowa, and have no where else to go.  We'll probably see more floods along the Cedar River (which is 2 miles from my home),  Derechos, tornados and heavy snowstorms (like we got yesterday), etc.  I just hope that my home survives; some within a few blocks of mine have gotten destroyed (but, new homes have gotten rebuilt in their place).

No bureau of land management saying not to rebuild? Nobody out there advising on flood plans or levies? No city plan to protect the community from a rise in river water come the next 100 let alone 50 years? Sounds like you need to get active in your community. Or find and aid what action there is there.

If there is any part of your community at or under 1.5 feet, or about a half a meter, above sea level you need to take some kind of action to protect it, relocate it or abandon it responsibly. aka: leaving no toxins that could leach into ground water.

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Well durr. I mean, duh. Do you have any personal plans to deal with it? Like heading for the hills and what now?

I live in Iowa, and have no where else to go.  We'll probably see more floods along the Cedar River (which is 2 miles from my home),  Derechos, tornados and heavy snowstorms (like we got yesterday), etc.  I just hope that my home survives; some within a few blocks of mine have gotten destroyed (but, new homes have gotten rebuilt in their place).

I am a bit of a shit meteorologist. I don't really understand much of their nomenclature. But if I am seeing the maps right, the Cider River will be in action or flood stage always after a 1.5 or 2 foot increase in measure. So whatever that means for the houses and businesses near it. For example in my own area the New Hope community (super fucking rich people, alot of pharma execs) has secured state and federal funding for all property lost due to flooding in those areas. Mean while my sister and her family can't get a reassessment on their state engineered flume to ensure their property.

While that is a personal example it is evident of the larger problem with climate change. The winners prior to climate change, that benefited from creating it, are setting themselves up to be the winners during catastrophic climate change. Nothing is being done about that.

[Rahn127]

The article I read talked about the ice shelf collapse in 5 years and then a rapid decline in the Thwaites Glacier over the next 40 years raising sea levels around the world 65 cm.

The real damage comes from the collapse of the other nearby glaciers in 60 years time. That combined effect could raise sea levels by several meters.

This rise would effect New York City, Mumbai, Toyko and many island countries.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

[vulcanlogician]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It’s even sillier NOT to put the burden on individuals. Do you seriously believe that the industries that most contribute to carbon emissions are going to stop doing so out of the goodness of their corporate hearts? *chuckle snort guffaw*

The ONLY thing these entities respond to is economic pressure. As long as consumer demand for fossil fuels remains high, they’re going to go right on belching carbon and whistling all the way to the bank. And don’t depend on government action to force them to behave themselves - far too many lawmakers have been bought and paid for by energy companies and other polluters.

Boru

I get Goosebump's point, though. I agree with Boru that individuals have a burden to bear, but I'm reminded of a professor who refused to use disposable coffee filters. He also insisted on electronic handouts. The guy was passionate. I bet the paper and/or plastic he used in a year was very small.

But i also remember working in a warehouse. There was so much waste there. I'm not counting the stuff that was sent of for recycling (the vast majority of it). But even the fraction of plastic/cardboard that went in the trash each day was at least a dumpster-full. It makes sense to pressure industry more than individuals. But, yeah, the efforts of many individuals can add up too.

It’s both - serious efforts by individuals is what will pressure industry.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

Just means my house will finally have a pool.