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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 1:57 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 1:56 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 1:55 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: Of course some people are humans.
Lots of lifeforms have personalities and maybe someday non-human lifeforms will also become part of human society and effectively be honorary-humans.
And, yes, I can present a philosophical definition to support what I say. But a lot of non-philosophical definitions are incoherent (as are a lot of philosophical definitions. 99% of everything is crap, be it philosophy or non-philosophy).
But it doesn't make what I say any less true knowledge than what you say.
And this is why I don't like philosophy.
Even when it's done well?
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 1:57 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 1:56 pm)brewer Wrote: And this is why I don't like philosophy.
Even when it's done well?
Tell me, when is a person not a human.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm
I don't know if transphobia is the worst form of bigotry in our time, but all of the various bigotries do seem to share a wheelhouse, to me..so. There are people who aren't transphobic, homophobic, or sexist..but theyre damned sure racists - too. Alot of the current appeal to racism comes down to a clever exploitation of liberal values.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:02 pm
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(January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 1:57 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: Even when it's done well?
Tell me, when is a person not a human.
When it's a lifeform that isn't human but still has a personality and consciousness or when it is able to be advanced enough in intelligence to be welcomed into human society as an agent with human rights even whilst technically not being human.
Another example would be an alien lifeform far more advanced and intelligent and conscious than us. With a much deeper personality than us. Maybe even humanoid looking. But not human. Such a lifeform would definitely be a person. They may even ask if we are one ...
(January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't know if transphobia is the worst form of bigotry in our time, but all of the various bigotries do seem to share a wheelhouse, to me..so. There are people who aren't transphobic, homophobic, or sexist..but theyre damned sure racists - too. Alot of the current appeal to racism comes down to a clever exploitation of liberal values.
I agree but I think that with regards to first world countries it's America that is especially racist.
And maybe I'm biased because I live on TERF Island.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:05 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:02 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm)brewer Wrote: Tell me, when is a person not a human.
When it's a lifeform that isn't human but still has a personality and consciousness or when it is able to be advanced enough in intelligence to be welcomed into human society as an agent with human rights even whilst technically not being human.
Another example would be an alien lifeform far more advanced and intelligent and conscious than us. With a much deeper personality than us. Maybe even humanoid looking. But not human. Such a lifeform would definitely be a person.
blah, blah, blah, just what I expected.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:05 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 2:02 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: When it's a lifeform that isn't human but still has a personality and consciousness or when it is able to be advanced enough in intelligence to be welcomed into human society as an agent with human rights even whilst technically not being human.
Another example would be an alien lifeform far more advanced and intelligent and conscious than us. With a much deeper personality than us. Maybe even humanoid looking. But not human. Such a lifeform would definitely be a person.
blah, blah, blah, just what I expected.
But am I wrong?
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:10 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:02 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote:
(January 31, 2022 at 2:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't know if transphobia is the worst form of bigotry in our time, but all of the various bigotries do seem to share a wheelhouse, to me..so. There are people who aren't transphobic, homophobic, or sexist..but theyre damned sure racists - too. Alot of the current appeal to racism comes down to a clever exploitation of liberal values.
I agree but I think that with regards to first world countries it's America that is especially racist.
And maybe I'm biased because I live on TERF Island.
Yeah, we're going through another redefinition of what right and left means in the us. Nowadays, the dems are corporatists who want to talk infrastructure, and the republicans are welfare staters concerned about the plight of the white race.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:11 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 2:05 pm)brewer Wrote: blah, blah, blah, just what I expected.
But am I wrong?
Yes, no amount of how something behaves or does not behave makes a person or human. They may get to be treated at some level as human/people/person, but on a factual level they are not.
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:12 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 2:02 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote:
I agree but I think that with regards to first world countries it's America that is especially racist.
And maybe I'm biased because I live on TERF Island.
Yeah, we're going through another redefinition of what right and left means in the us. Nowadays, the dems are corporatists who want to talk infrastructure, and the republicans are welfare staters concerned about the plight of the white race.
They're all just fascists to me.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Transgenderism in the tech industry
January 31, 2022 at 2:15 pm
(January 31, 2022 at 2:11 pm)brewer Wrote: (January 31, 2022 at 2:07 pm)Lobster Lover Wrote: But am I wrong?
Yes, no amount of how something behaves or does not behave makes a person or human. They may get to be treated at some level as human/people/person, but on a factual level they are not.
The law, at least, does recognize the concept of a ‘non-human person’. This is generally done in regards to animal rights.
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