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RE: The existence of God
September 6, 2022 at 5:39 pm
(September 6, 2022 at 5:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The only reason it works is because evolution does not need good design
Bold mine. Argument from ignorance. I don't think you're qualified at all to write such statements or even formulate simple valid syllogisms. Maybe you shouldn't speculate on serious topics like the design argument for now.
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RE: The existence of God
September 6, 2022 at 8:16 pm
(September 6, 2022 at 5:39 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: (September 6, 2022 at 5:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The only reason it works is because evolution does not need good design
Bold mine. Argument from ignorance. I don't think you're qualified at all to write such statements or even formulate simple valid syllogisms. Maybe you shouldn't speculate on serious topics like the design argument for now.
Evolution is not good design, rather, it is sufficient design. Everyone agrees on this, and so, what's your point??
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 9:03 am
(September 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: Even a modicum of knowledge about human anatomy should lead one to a profound belief in a supreme creator. I really don't have any respect for anyone who thinks it's not enough.
We already know you don't understand how evolution works, you needn't repeatedly remind us. Why should anyone care about your personal opinion about atheist philosophers, or me, for that matter? You haven't earned any respect here due to the content of your posts, and you seem to be deteriorating before my eyes.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 9:06 am
(September 6, 2022 at 5:39 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: (September 6, 2022 at 5:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The only reason it works is because evolution does not need good design
Bold mine. Argument from ignorance. I don't think you're qualified at all to write such statements or even formulate simple valid syllogisms. Maybe you shouldn't speculate on serious topics like the design argument for now.
And you dont' seem to know what an argument from ignorance is. Maybe you shouldn't try citing fallacies until you have learned them. I'll help:
P1: I have an answer to this question.
P2: I don't.
P1: Since you don't have an answer, that means my answer is right!
That was an argument from ignorance on the part of P1.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 6:34 pm
(This post was last modified: September 7, 2022 at 6:36 pm by Astreja.)
(September 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: Even a modicum of knowledge about human anatomy should lead one to a profound belief in a supreme creator.
Having recently retired from a position in which I managed to type something in the order of 70,000+ medical reports over a period of 16 years, IMO the only theology supported by human anatomy is dystheism. Neil deGrasse Tyson says it particularly well in his video on Stupid Design:
Quote:I really don't have any respect for anyone who thinks it's not enough.
The feeling is mutual.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 8:37 pm
(September 6, 2022 at 5:39 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: (September 6, 2022 at 5:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The only reason it works is because evolution does not need good design
Bold mine. Argument from ignorance. I don't think you're qualified at all to write such statements or even formulate simple valid syllogisms. Maybe you shouldn't speculate on serious topics like the design argument for now.
What makes you more qualified than anyone else here to speak about evolution?
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 8:41 pm
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(September 6, 2022 at 5:01 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: (September 6, 2022 at 12:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Say what you want about the atheists here, at least our objections to a capital-D Designer are sincere.
Did I just read the word sincere?
I am literally at a loss of words right now. Maybe one day try to buy a book about human anatomy, or more specifically hand anatomy, like this one :
https://www.amazon.com/Hand-Wrist-Anatom...3132053414
The human hand is a complex combination of nerves, vessels, bones, ligaments and muscles. Each of these is an entire topic of study.. Your own hand is an extremely complicated machine with an instruction manual, a literal miracle.
Just leaf through books like these and try to think about your position in a fresh way, should I continue to believe that all this complexity as described in front me is the product of an ad hoc expansion of the universe and the subsequent conjunction of billions of lucky events.. should I believe that unguided assembly of stardust led to me having nerves and vessels? How messed up in the head one must be to even consider this ?
Learning more about our own functioning to discover God is sincere advice, no parody. It's probably the most effective way to see how stupid atheism is.
I remember opening Oppy's book some weeks ago, Arguing about Gods, and passionately going through his chapter about teleological arguments, hoping I'd find serious argumentation from the other side, then I arrived at the following paragraph :
"Suppose, instead, that Paley had come upon a rabbit’s heart lying on the common. Given a little background knowledge, he would have recognised that this is something with a proper function, with parts that have proper functions, and with parts whose material constitution is well suited to the functions that those parts play. (Think, for example, of the natural functions of cell membranes, cell nuclei, etc.) Nonetheless, I don’t think that there is the slightest reason to suppose that there is anything at all inevitable about the ‘inference’ from the observed properties of the rabbit’s heart to the conclusion that it is the product of intelligent design"
The part in bold disgusted me, I stopped reading immediately. All the complexity of the heart doesn't even hint design according to this deranged pedant. I lost all the respect I had for the atheist philosopher, a leading figure in modern philosophy of religion, by the way. What's really disturbing is that this is the highest level of argumentation one is ever likely to read from the atheist camp, one can only imagine the kinds of pathetic reasons the rest of run-of-the-mill atheists have for denying design, or pretending they don't see it or, worse, think they have sincere objections.
Even a modicum of knowledge about human anatomy should lead one to a profound belief in a supreme creator. I really don't have any respect for anyone who thinks it's not enough.
Okay.
So, basically your argument amounts to: “Wow. Look at that! Therefore, design.”
And people remain unconvinced, you say?! Maybe you’re the one who needs to think a bit harder about what constitutes a sound and valid syllogism.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 10:12 pm
Wow, look at human testicles that are so vulnerable to outside forces unlike frog's or rhino's.
Look at human eyes that are so poorly designed. So many people must wear glasses and even those that don't have things like blind spots.
The human throat is so badly designed that we easily choke.
Wow, look, humans can't produce vitamin C like cats and get scurvy.
Look at the human immune system so badly designed that people get attacked by their immune system.
Look at so many genetic diseases like diabetes and simply deformed organs.
Look at the human back that is badly designed for upright posture that we get back pain.
Only an idiot would look at all this and say that it was designed by a supreme and intelligent designer creator.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 11:20 pm
God is some kid at kinkos, learning on the job.
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RE: The existence of God
September 7, 2022 at 11:22 pm
(September 7, 2022 at 11:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: God is some kid at kinkos, learning on the job.
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