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A knockdown prophecy
#21
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 6:32 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 7, 2022 at 6:06 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Don’t be such a troll. But back to our muttons: tell me WHY Islam is not to be mocked.

Boru
You know what ISIS does to people. The religion demands respect, they're not playing around.

They can ‘demand’ whatever they like. I’m not going to stop mocking silly superstitions on the off chance that an ISIS operative is going to travel 10 000 miles to teach me a lesson.

Boru
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#22
RE: A knockdown prophecy
So was Allah speaking to the Buddhists centuries before they spoke to MO ?


Quote:Other creatures suffer troubles and defects and cannot match Heaven and Earth; man alone can match them. Man has 360 joints, ...

Luxuriant Gems Of Spring And Autumn Annals, Dong Zhongshu, P. 10


Quote:perceptive, his hearing will be sharp, his taste will be sensitive, his oral expressiveness will be perfect, and all his three hundred and sixty joints will work well.

The Spring And Autumn Of Lu Buwei


Quote:Human beings have 360 joints, nine body openings, and five yin and six yang systems of function.


Nathan Sivin, State, Cosmos, and Body in the Last Three Centuries B.C. [For Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies]


Quote:Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism teaches that our existence is identical to the universe as a whole, and the universe as a whole is identical to our existence. Each individual human life is a microcosm. ... There are some 360 joints in the human and they stand for the days of the year. The twelve major joints signify the twelve months.

Gangyo Is A Grand And Noble Rite
There is no reason to believe this fact didn't spread to the wider world. Ancient people were not totally stupid you know.... Dodgy
"Change was inevitable"


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#23
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 8:01 am)Helios Wrote: There is no reason to believe this fact didn't spread to the wider world. Ancient people were not totally stupid you know.... Dodgy

Well, not all of them, anyway.  Some "ancient" people thought that a child raping warlord went into a cave and communed with a god who told him...to tell them...what to do.

Then and forever more, no less.

OFC, this is just a silly story about people being silly. It's probably not any more true than it's own contents. It's pretty clear that big mo's right hand men saw the political value of the belief system. Immediately schismatic.... as they declared their own rightful successions to a very earthly throne on the back of competing claims over divine warrant. They continue to kill each other for two long dead princes to this very day.
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#24
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 6, 2022 at 6:10 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: I consider this hadith to be clinching evidence for the truth of Islam, there is simply no honest objection to it.

It's nice the writer was able to accurately count joints, but that's early science, not prophecy. The writer wasn't ever the first to arrive at an accurate count:

Lü Pu-wei's Springs and Autumns (Lü shih ch'un-ch'iu) - of (ca. 239 BC)

Human beings have 360 joints, nine body openings, and five yin and six yang systems of function. In the flesh tightness is desirable; in the blood vessels (hsueh-mo free flow is desirable; in the sinews and bones solidity is desirable; in the operations of the heart and mind harmony is desirable; in the essential ch'i regular motion is desirable. When [these desiderata] are realized, illness has nowhere to abide, and there is nothing from which pathology can develop. When illness lasts and pathology develops, it is because the essential ch'i has become static.

Edit: Props to Helios for ninja-ing me on this.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
#25
RE: A knockdown prophecy
Medical authorities disagree on the number of human joints:

How Many Joints Are in the Human Body?

In any case, NO ONE is born with 360 joints.
#26
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 4:57 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 7, 2022 at 4:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Don’t be so silly. ALL religions are to be mocked.

Boru
So if someone's family member died and they said something like, "She's in a better place now", you would then say, "Actually there's no such thing as the afterlife", are you willing to take it that far?

Boru didn't say all persons are to be mocked. Your speculation doesn't follow from what Boru said...as I'm sure you knew.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
#27
RE: A knockdown prophecy
So...R00tKiT should follow ancient Chinese traditional religion, since they won the prophecy sweepstakes.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
#28
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 9:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(September 7, 2022 at 8:01 am)Helios Wrote: There is no reason to believe this fact didn't spread to the wider world. Ancient people were not totally stupid you know.... Dodgy

Well, not all of them, anyway.  Some "ancient" people thought that a child raping warlord went into a cave and communed with a god who told him...to tell them...what to do.

Then and forever more, no less.

OFC, this is just a silly story about people being silly.  It's probably not any more true than it's own contents.  It's pretty clear that big mo's right hand men saw the political value of the belief system.  Immediately schismatic.... as they declared their own rightful successions to a very earthly throne on the back of competing claims over divine warrant. They continue to kill each other for two long dead princes to this very day.
People of any age are a mix of perfectly rational science-based beliefs and utter horseshit. The Arabs were an exception to this rule.
"Change was inevitable"


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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
#29
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 9:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(September 6, 2022 at 6:10 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: I consider this hadith to be clinching evidence for the truth of Islam, there is simply no honest objection to it.

It's nice the writer was able to accurately count joints, but that's early science, not prophecy. The writer wasn't ever the first to arrive at an accurate count:

Lü Pu-wei's Springs and Autumns (Lü shih ch'un-ch'iu) - of (ca. 239 BC)

Human beings have 360 joints, nine body openings, and five yin and six yang systems of function. In the flesh tightness is desirable; in the blood vessels (hsueh-mo free flow is desirable; in the sinews and bones solidity is desirable; in the operations of the heart and mind harmony is desirable; in the essential ch'i regular motion is desirable. When [these desiderata] are realized, illness has nowhere to abide, and there is nothing from which pathology can develop. When illness lasts and pathology develops, it is because the essential ch'i has become static.

Edit: Props to Helios for ninja-ing me on this.
Also, it's known China exported its medical knowledge beyond its borders. So there is no reason it couldn't have reached the Arab world and become known to its populous.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
#30
RE: A knockdown prophecy
(September 7, 2022 at 9:37 am)Helios Wrote:
(September 7, 2022 at 9:24 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's nice the writer was able to accurately count joints, but that's early science, not prophecy. The writer wasn't ever the first to arrive at an accurate count:

Lü Pu-wei's Springs and Autumns (Lü shih ch'un-ch'iu) - of (ca. 239 BC)

Human beings have 360 joints, nine body openings, and five yin and six yang systems of function. In the flesh tightness is desirable; in the blood vessels (hsueh-mo free flow is desirable; in the sinews and bones solidity is desirable; in the operations of the heart and mind harmony is desirable; in the essential ch'i regular motion is desirable. When [these desiderata] are realized, illness has nowhere to abide, and there is nothing from which pathology can develop. When illness lasts and pathology develops, it is because the essential ch'i has become static.

Edit: Props to Helios for ninja-ing me on this.
Also, it's known China exported its medical knowledge beyond its borders. So there is no reason it couldn't have reached the Arab world and become known to its populous.

And one can't overlook the possibility that, even if true, Mohammed simply got lucky by picking the right source.
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