Trump and Russia

[Belacqua]

Fox is to news as hell is to ice.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/542402348876309190/

[The Architect Of Fate]

A perfect representation of watching you try to talk about politics 

[Belacqua]

Please provide links to any source you consider credible which demonstrates that

1) Russia has had a significant influence on any US election, or

2) Trump was in any way swayed by what the Russians wanted.

Thank you.

[Foxaèr]

[The Architect Of Fate]

[Belacqua]

Here is part three of four from the Columbia Journalism Review. It's written by a guy who worked for three decades as an investigative reporter for the New York Times.

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trump...part-3.php

About the journal:

The Columbia Journalism Review (CJR) is a biannual magazine for professional journalists that has been published by the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism since 1961. Its contents include news and media industry trends, analysis, professional ethics, and stories behind news.

[Fake Messiah]

Please provide links to any source you consider credible which demonstrates that

1) Russia has had a significant influence on any US election, or

2) Trump was in any way swayed by what the Russians wanted.

Thank you.

[Belacqua]

Right, a lot of Trump associates have been indicted. For what? Steve Bannon, the first one on the list, for example, was indicted for various things, but nothing to do with Russia. 

The video is made by a fiction writer. It has a lot of scary music. The claims made in the video by Rachel Maddow, that Russia was offering bounties for US soldiers, has been made with very flimsy evidence. Maddow, of course, speaks as if it's proven, when in fact it's nowhere near.

(And please keep in mind that lawyers for MSNBC argued in court that her show has no obligation to tell the truth because no reasonable person would consider her reliable.) 

The New York Times reported that "Officials said there was disagreement among intelligence officials about the strength of the evidence about the suspected Russian plot."[4] Defense Department officials then reported that U.S. military intelligence was unable to corroborate the reported program.[5] In April 2021, the U.S. government reported that the U.S. intelligence community only had "low to moderate confidence" in the bounty program allegations.[6][7]

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I'm sure the scary music is sufficient to persuade people who already believe it. As I've said, we've had generations of anti-Russian messages preparing the gullible.

[Fake Messiah]

Right, a lot of Trump associates have been indicted. For what? Steve Bannon, the first one on the list, for example, was indicted for various things, but nothing to do with Russia. 

Or Roger Stone who collaborated with Russian hackers through Wikileaks and thus created the falsely dreaded "email lady".

The records reveal the extent of communications between Stone and Assange, whose anti-secrecy website published Democratic emails hacked by Russians during the 2016 presidential election, and underscore efforts by Trump allies to gain insight about the release of information they expected would embarrass Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

They were made public as Stone, convicted last year in Mueller’s investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign, awaits a date to surrender to a federal prison system that has grappled with outbreaks of the coronavirus.

https://apnews.com/article/presidential-...28d9f0a9e7

No doubt you will also proclaim that the First impeachment of Donald Trump did not happe where he got impeached bc he also worked for Putin by refusing to give Ukraine military aid so that it can defend itself from Russia and because Trump again tried to use solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

[Belacqua]

Fake MessiahFake MessiahOr Roger Stone who collaborated with Russian hackers through Wikileaks and thus created the falsely dreaded "email lady".

from Politico:

Mueller’s final report — the byproduct of 18 months of investigation, 500 witness interviews and more than 2,800 subpoenas — concluded that there was insufficient evidence to file charges involving a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian hackers. It only hinted at the Trump campaign’s eagerness to profit off WikiLeaks’ disclosures.

Stone was convicted of obstructing, lying, and witness tampering. There were no convictions for aiding Russia or hacking. 

During the 2016 campaign, Stone was accused by Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign chairman John Podesta of having prior knowledge of the publishing by WikiLeaks of Podesta's private emails obtained by a hacker.[134] Stone tweeted before the leak, "It will soon [sic] the Podesta's time in the barrel". Five days before the leak, Stone tweeted, "Wednesday Hillary Clinton is done. #Wikileaks."[135] Stone has denied having any advance knowledge of the Podesta email hack or any connection to Russian intelligence, stating that his earlier tweet was referring to reports of the Podesta Group's own ties to Russia.[136][137] 

Note who is making the accusations. Hillary and her minions have repeatedly made accusations concerning Russia -- none of which has been proven. Again, see the Columbia Journalism Review. 

from the CJR:

The end of the long inquiry into whether Donald Trump was colluding with Russia came in July 2019, when Robert Mueller III, the special counsel, took seven, sometimes painful, hours to essentially say no.

Incidentally, no information from Wikileaks has ever been shown to be false. 

No doubt you will also proclaim that the First impeachment of Donald Trump did not happe where he got impeached bc he also worked for Putin by refusing to give Ukraine military aid so that it can defend itself from Russia and because Trump again tried to use solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

Trump was impeached for his actions with Ukraine. He wanted Ukraine to help him dig up dirt on the Bidens. The part about "worked for Putin" is something you have added that is not in the articles of impeachment. There was no war at the time, and if all sides had been abiding by the Minsk agreement there would have been no reason to build up the Ukrainian army.

There is, in fact, evidence that Hunter Biden was involved in shady dealings in Ukraine, and that if these had come out fully it would have hurt Biden's election campaign. 

So the motives you have attributed to Trump are your own speculation. Given his typical focus on himself and his own gain, it's entirely believable that he was twisting Zelensky's arm solely for his own benefit, and not for Russia's.