The greatest discovery in my life

[Foxaèr]

I stopped drinking beer for 3 months and lost 40 lbs.

...i like beer.

I haven't consumed alcohol in...over a year?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

All quackery sounds convincing and some of it even has a grain of truth. But no it's quackery

That's simply not true.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

That's simply not true.

Boru

I'm afraid it is.

[emjay]

All quackery sounds convincing and some of it even has a grain of truth. But no it's quackery

Okay sure it could be quackery. But what if it's not? What if the claims, and the science, checks out? What does that make it then? Controversial, non-mainstream, maybe even pioneering? Sometimes it takes a while for new ideas to catch up with or be accepted by the mainstream especially when it goes against strong intuitions or biases to the contrary, and sometimes, as conspiratorial as I admit it can sound, commercial interests too. These low carb diets spring to mind on that front; I doubt any mainstream doctor would recommend them, because they go against all our intuitions, but nonetheless those ideas are gradually getting a foothold, gradually gaining traction and respectability.

[Belacqua]

gradually gaining traction and respectability.

I haven't watched the videos yet, but I've been hearing about intermittent fasting long enough to believe it's better than quackery, for sure. 

One thing that gives confidence is that it doesn't make outlandish claims. As far as I know, no one has claimed that it cures cancer, or guarantees you'll live to 120, or is suitable for everyone in every condition. Nor does it require you to buy stuff. If you had to spend a hundred dollars on magic powder to make it work, then I would be skeptical. 

We all eat so much junk these days -- it makes sense if someone says "you don't need all that!"

[The Architect Of Fate]

Quackery 

[emjay]

gradually gaining traction and respectability.

I haven't watched the videos yet, but I've been hearing about intermittent fasting long enough to believe it's better than quackery, for sure. 

One thing that gives confidence is that it doesn't make outlandish claims. As far as I know, no one has claimed that it cures cancer, or guarantees you'll live to 120, or is suitable for everyone in every condition. Nor does it require you to buy stuff. If you had to spend a hundred dollars on magic powder to make it work, then I would be skeptical. 

We all eat so much junk these days -- it makes sense if someone says "you don't need all that!"

To be fair, he does make claims about cancer, but I'd say they're incidental rather than the main thrust of his argument. Basically - and don't quote me on this, cos it's only a rough gist - related to the cellular processes of rejuvenation he described... ie in a nutshell, that our cells accumulate waste over time and that through exact cellular processes I can't remember right now in detail, but will look up in the future, fasting triggers these cells to start recycling their waste material to provide energy, rejuvenating them in the process. As I said, don't quote me on the technicals, because it was complicated, and I haven't yet done any further research into them, but however controversial his conclusions may be, I don't think we have any reason to doubt his honesty/competency when describing physical and cellular processes... if nothing else, how would he get away with misrepresenting the underlying biology? Anyways, long story short, I think he makes a good, and fascinating, logical case in the video that speaks for itself if the underlying biology as described is true, if it's not then all bets are off, but as I said, I don't think there's any reason to think he'd, at least intentionally, misrepresent that.

As for the rest, yeah, no claims to live to 120, and no purchase necessary ... so if it is quackery, it's very subtle quackery.

[arewethereyet]

I think that it's the idea that a person eats at this time and that time and then again at this time doesn't work for everyone. I am not hungry when I wake up in the morning so breakfast hasn't been a thing for me since it was forced on me by my parents. Work and school give you a time for lunch, it doesn't matter if you are hungry or not. You eat then or go without. Then there is the evening meal. When I was a kid, supper was at 6 pm, period. When I worked till 6 as a senior in high school, I got home about 6:15. Supper wasn't delayed, it was done by the time I got home. I could eat some leftovers before doing the dishes.

I am much happier now that I can eat when I am hungry and not because it's noon. We have been made to believe that the scheduled eating is what we do. Yeah, that doesn't work for me.

Now, if I were diabetic and needed to eat a certain amount in certain amounts of time, I would have to adjust to that. I sometimes need to eat something in order to take certain medications. But I can't work with a strict schedule of morning, noon, and night. My desire for food doesn't follow a clock.

[Angrboda]

One thing that gives confidence is that it doesn't make outlandish claims. As far as I know, no one has claimed that it cures cancer, or guarantees you'll live to 120, or is suitable for everyone in every condition. Nor does it require you to buy stuff. If you had to spend a hundred dollars on magic powder to make it work, then I would be skeptical. 

Maybe you should reserve such statements until after you've watched Dr. Jamnadas' videos.

[emjay]

I think that it's the idea that a person eats at this time and that time and then again at this time doesn't work for everyone.  I am not hungry when I wake up in the morning so breakfast hasn't been a thing for me since it was forced on me by my parents.  Work and school give you a time for lunch, it doesn't matter if you are hungry or not.  You eat then or go without.  Then there is the evening meal.  When I was a kid, supper was at 6 pm, period.  When I worked till 6 as a senior in high school, I got home about 6:15.  Supper wasn't delayed, it was done by the time I got home.  I could eat some leftovers before doing the dishes.

I am much happier now that I can eat when I am hungry and not because it's noon.  We have been made to believe that the scheduled eating is what we do.  Yeah, that doesn't work for me.

Now, if I were diabetic and needed to eat a certain amount in certain amounts of time, I would have to adjust to that.  I sometimes need to eat something in order to take certain medications.  But I can't work with a strict schedule of morning, noon, and night.  My desire for food doesn't follow a clock.

Yeah, I can definitely get behind that sort of thinking now, now that you and this have made it conscious and explicit as it were. Ie I'd never really thought about it till now, but now it looks like a bell that can't be unrung; that there's no damn reason for eating so many meals or at specific times, other than our conditioning and habits. So whether I end up doing this diet or not doesn't really matter, because there is still that takeaway from this, that you can just eat when you need to, and no more.