Morality

[Fake Messiah]

Here is another aspect of morality that religious people talk about that was not mentioned, but I would like to hear your opinion.

I've heard the talk by Dr. Francis Collins where he mentions the incident in New York's subway where a man fell on the tracks and another man jumped in to save him risking his life which proves god because there is no evolutionary reason to save him, thus he was following moral law on his heart written by god.

Aside from the naturalistic fallacy he is using, it is actually typically a myopic approach that religious people usually have - Collins even briefly mentions Oskar Schindler in the same breath!

I mean, yes, Schindler was a good guy, but what about all the other thousands of nazis who participated in the mass slaughter of innocent people? Like, where was that supposed moral law when it comes to people who threw live children into flames because they ran out of gas?

Similar to the subway guy - the fallen guy was probably just lucky because there was some guy who was physically and psychologically capable to help him.

Many people (if not the majority) would not try to save the fallen guy not because they don't want to but because they would not know how to, were not capable of reacting at the moment, and some are raised not to bother.

[The Grand Nudger]

IDK how that's supposed to prove a god exists, though we've seen the faithful confuse objective moral apprehensions for "god" in thread and that might be what we're looking at there. It does suggest that strict subjectivism may not be an airtight theory of morality even in the descriptive. I wouldn't focus on the negative, though. Sure, plenty of people wouldn't act - in fact, the larger the group the less likely a person is to act even if they do know how, are capable, and were raised to bother. Failure (real or perceived, moral or practical) is never all that difficult to explain.

It can be difficult to explain why we stick our necks out even when we don't know how, even when we're not capable, even when we were raised not to bother, metaethically speaking. Something other than pure self interest or self reference or the conditioning of our society is at play, rightly or wrongly.