Earth' Recent CLimate Spiral 2.0

[Leonardo17]

I’m not a geologist so I don’t know how the entire stuff is working. Dimitry is talking about earths cycles that are occurring every 120,000 year or so and times of temperature peaks coincide with times of great heat (with rain forests in Antartica) and these are then followed by cooling ages + and ice age.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe...leistocene
 
https://www.britannica.com/science/ice-age-geology
 
I will come back and explain it if I resolve it. But this is beyond my level of education
 
What I know as an archaeologist is that we are in the Holocene period. The Younger Drias event happened son 12,000 years ago. We were here as hunter gatherers sin at least 40,000 years ago. Than they disappeared. We Survived. And it is around 12,000 years ago that the first settlements start to appear in Egypt, Mesopotamia + the Indus valley. This coincides with the end of the last ice age and the turning of places entirely covered with ice (like northern Europe) into arable lands. Than our population begins to grow. Than we become what we are today.
 
All I know is:
1) Peak of CO2 = peak of temperature (the 150,000 years cycles)
2) Our society is entirely reliant of agriculture + food production. Even with a limited event like the war in Ukraine, the food security of millions of people is compromised and wheat prices around the world is increasing.
 
So I think this is the work of fake scientists. – Yes Life is capable to adapt. Unless we do something like an atomic war for instance, the earth’s cycles will continue. The earth has recovered from so many mass initiation events. SO there will be a new page with new creatures etc. But if that happens, how many of us will survive? Are we even going to survive? We simply don’t know that.
 
Yet, Greta says that “The science is as clear as it gets”. The earth is not warming all by itself. This time it’s not a volcano, it’s not the Sun. It’s “the great acceleration” since the 1950’s that’s doing this (see “The Climate Book”).



Here is a nice article on the standoff between ordinary villagers and big coal companies in south-Western Turkey.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coal-versus-f...23831.html
 
While this is happening here, in the south-Eastern part of the country (the quake affected region), villagers are resisting. Here the aim is to destroy highly valuable agricultural lands + olive tree plantations to make room for government sponsored housing (which are usually in faraway places and contain so many deficiencies that no one is even willing to move to such habitations).
 
https://youtu.be/pJDr0dpjCVY?t=146
 
https://medyanews.net/environmental-prot...restation/
(The Internet Link above is even blocked in my region )
 
   For me Australia hosting the COP 31 2026 and the UAE hosting it in December this year is a joke. I think we have reached the point where there should be serious penalties for any nation building any type of fossil energy infrastructures. In the examples mentioned above, I’m not even seeing any serious international pressure on my government to not extend existing coal facilities and to not destroy agricultural lands (which may become very important for all of us with a rapidly growing world population in a time of environmental crisis).
 
   I think most governments don’t seem to realize yet how important this whole thing is.

[Anomalocaris]

There are temperature cycles of 120,000 years, but it is not nearly extreme enough to cause there to be rain forest in the Antarctica during its upswings.   Antarctica has been continuously covered by continent spanning ice sheet for 35 million years and hadn’t seen rain forests since age of dinosaurs.   The cumulative effect of 70 million years long cooling trend of the earth since the end of Cretaceous is too great for any known current short term climate cycles, or acute disturbances, including what we are causing through our GHG emission,  to overcome.     Even with the full reasonably anticipated effects of anthropogenic climate chamge over the next centuries, the cumulative effect of long term cooling is still dominant and the earth would still remain substantially cooler than the historic average it has experienced over the last 550 million years.

It is just that the acute climate disturbance we cause would make earth hotter than we’ve experienced since Homo sapiens left Africa, and far hotter than our infrastructure, demographic distribution, accustomed agriculture style, have been adapted to function under, and we will pay a much greater price to readapt to the full effects of the Unimpeded disturbance than to rein in the disturbance.

[Leonardo17]

Beijing is experiencing its greatest rainfall since records began. The previous record was 609 mm in 1891. Today’s numbers is 745 mm (Water Reservoir of Chanping).
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-rains...23067.html

[Anomalocaris]

Beijing is experiencing its greatest rainfall since records began. The previous record was 609 mm in 1891. Today’s numbers is 745 mm (Water Reservoir of Chanping).
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-rains...23067.html

That’s merely 29 inches of rain over 4 days.    At that pitiful rate of precipitation the Noah’s flood will take 131 years of unbroken vigorous raining to drown the tallest mountain.

[Leonardo17]

This is Nagasaki after a nuclear bomb has been dropped (Not really ).
 
Emperor Belisarius believes that many countries in the West are also reliant on Coal power and relies on economic arguments in the destruction of natural habitats in the name of extracting a limited amount of coal of lowest quality.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/erdogan-defen...46333.html
 
The fact that the next COP meeting (COP 28) is happening in Dubai is a problem all by itself. But the events of the last 4-5 years have shown us that we are already late in banning coal altogether. By banning I mean limiting mining activities to better quality coal, banning the expansion of coal mines, banning the construction of new coal energy plants while aiming to do the exact same thing to natural gas and oil within a decade or so.
 
If India and China decided to be on board I think this could be done before the end of this year.

[Anomalocaris]

they are unlikely to get on board because of the lack of confidence in reciprocity in the new geopolitical environment that emerged during and in the wake of COVID pandemic

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

‘The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive’ - Frank Herbert

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Beijing is experiencing its greatest rainfall since records began. The previous record was 609 mm in 1891. Today’s numbers is 745 mm (Water Reservoir of Chanping).
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-rains...23067.html

That’s merely 29 inches of rain over 4 days.    At that pitiful rate of precipitation the Noah’s flood will take 131 years of unbroken vigorous raining to drown the tallest mountain.

That strikes me as a remarkably pointless comment.

Boru

[LinuxGal]

Beijing is experiencing its greatest rainfall since records began. The previous record was 609 mm in 1891. Today’s numbers is 745 mm (Water Reservoir of Chanping).
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-rains...23067.html

That’s merely 29 inches of rain over 4 days.    At that pitiful rate of precipitation the Noah’s flood will take 131 years of unbroken vigorous raining to drown the tallest mountain.

The troposphere can hold about one inch of water in suspension as vapor.  If it rains more than that in one spot, then you're talking about streams of air that are transporting the water vapor...one such stream is called the Pineapple Express.  But you never see that for the whole planet, obviously, except in Yahweh fan fiction.

[Anomalocaris]

If the atmosphere held enough water such that raining it all out will drown the tallest mountain, that means the atmospheric pressure before the water rained out will have to account for the weight of all that water. Ie the atmospheric pressure when Noah was little must have been 8 time the atmosphere pressure on the surface of Venus