Time

[Shell B]

I never said time=energy. You are making an assumption in your mind about what I said which is different from the intended meaning. The illusion is this:
When you use your energy more wisely(manipulating it) you get more done in the same amount of time as before, but your also viewing it as saving time in getting the same amount of work done.

Questions?

I'm not going to bother, but thank you.

[Emporion]

Cute. That is the example of an illsion of being able to manipulate time.

I have about 18 hours in my day.
I have a set amount of work to do each day.
If I do that work quickly, I have lots of time to spend on other things.
If I do that work slowly, I have less time to spend on other things.

Where's the illusion?



Also, still waiting on the demonstration that control of time is logically impossible.

Think about your post in terms of how much energy your using and you will see the illusion.

Examine the need for correction algorithms for atomic clocks in GPS satellites and you will see controlling time is no illusion.

Clock systems record physical time and convert it into data that we use for activities which require the symbolic recording to use as a reference for the intended task.

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Think about your post in terms of how much energy your using and you will see the illusion.

I'm not claiming that finishing my work early gives some kind of magical extra time out of nowhere.

Energy is irrelevant. If you think that you can equate time and energy like that, you need to take some physics classes.
And even if you could compare the two, if you think that I'd expend the same amount of energy in both cases, you're mistaken. Imagine that my faourite leisure activity is karate. If I complete my work slowly, I spend all day sat at a desk. If I complete it quickly, I spend the remainder of the day doing karate. Do I expend the same amount of energy in both cases? Nope!

What you seem to be doing is misinterpreting the meaning of the phrase "to save time" in order to artificially create a paradox.

Taken literally, phrase "to save time" creates a paradox on its own.

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I voted Jesus. Aint I a stinker?

Yes you are.

Really though, none of these answers are viable to me. What is time, anyway? How does it work? By what goddamn standards are we measuring it and why are those standards applicable at all? Time is just far, far too complex for me to answer this question.

If it's soo complex, then why did you go for "God did it" explanation?
The time we are taking about is the physical time, also represented by our sense of time which I believe is controlled by neurons firing of at a certain rate. Hense, sense of time.

[lilphil1989]

When you use your energy more wisely(manipulating it) you get more done in the same amount of time as before, but your also viewing it as saving time in getting the same amount of work done.

The two are equivalent.
Whether you want to think about how much activity you get done in a set amount of time, or how long it takes to perform a set number of activities doesn't matter.

Imagine you want to calculate the speed of something. You can measure how far it travels in a given time, say 10 seconds, or you can time how long it takes to travel a given distance, say 10 metres. Both given the same result (within experimental uncertainty).

It's as if you're saying "You're not shorter than your father, that's an illusion, actually your father is taller then you."

Taken literally, phrase "to save time" creates a paradox on its own.

It's to be taken in the same sense as "to save money".
If I save money on an item I have more to spend on other items than I would have otherwise.
If I save time on an activity, I have more time to spend on other activities than I would have otherwise.

The time we are taking about is the physical time, also represented by our sense of time which I believe is controlled by neurons firing of at a certain rate.

Physical time and biological time are not the same, that's why, for example, our brains fool us into ideas such as "time flies when you're having fun". Yes it flies, at 1 second per second as always

[Watson]

I voted Jesus. Aint I a stinker?

Yes you are.

Really though, none of these answers are viable to me. What is time, anyway? How does it work? By what goddamn standards are we measuring it and why are those standards applicable at all? Time is just far, far too complex for me to answer this question.

If it's soo complex, then why did you go for "God did it" explanation?
The time we are taking about is the physical time, also represented by our sense of time which I believe is controlled by neurons firing of at a certain rate. Hense, sense of time.

I voted Jesus as a joke, dude. Cool your jets.

[Violet]

None of those choices represent my thinking at all (not even a little).

Wish I could vote in the poll