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What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
#11
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Same as Scientology which is nothing.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#12
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
(July 26, 2023 at 12:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.

I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods.

https://www.amazon.in/Christianity-Chang...0310264499
https://www.amazon.in/Catholic-Church-Bu...1596983280

Both written by Western Scholars though the above links are to Amazon India. I ordered both these books recently and read them and they're excellent imo.

Nope.

The British navy basically brought the Atlantic slave trade to an end.

Christians in the Americas were still using the bible to justify slavery up to the civil war.

Well. Pls read the books and then decide for yourself, Valkyrie. There's a wealth of historical information in them one would hardly find anywhere else imo. All well documented with unimpeachable historical references to other historians.

As for Abolition and Slavery, Prez. Lincoln and William Wilberforce, for e.g. as well as Anti-Slavery Crusader David Livingstone, were the Accomplished Abolitionists of their time, and they were devout Christians. Meanwhile, Darwin, Marx, Sanger and Nietzche were all Vicious White Racists. They lacked Gospel Values, the first and foremost of which is to Love your neighbor as yourself, as Jesus Christ taught. He also showed, by His Good Samaritan Parable, that that moral obligation to Love one's Neighbor transcends the boundaries of Race and Religion. That Dr. Martin Luther King was both a Christian Pastor and one of the greatest Anti-Racists of all time is well known. So were many Popes, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Rev. Billy Graham, Rev. Reinhard Bonnke, who is called "the Billy Graham of Africa", had Great Love for the African People etc. What the world needs is Love, and that's what Jesus Christ commands of all, especially His own disciples.

As for Science and Charity, the Great Medieval Universities of Catholic Christian Europe etc, pls see this in the quote box below:
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From: https://www.bigrapidsnews.com/columns/ar...127248.php

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#13
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.

I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods...

Why would I waste time or money on those?  I'll stick with Homer and Plato and Sophocles (and Horace, Murakami, Pratchett, Gaiman, and, oh, several thousand other books I'd rather read instead).
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#14
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
(July 26, 2023 at 12:46 am)Astreja Wrote:
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.

I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods...

Why would I waste time or money on those?  I'll stick with Homer and Plato and Sophocles (and Horace, Murakami, Pratchett, Gaiman, and, oh, several thousand other books I'd rather read instead).

You had me at Pratchett.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Quote:Well. Pls read the books and then decide for yourself, Valkyrie. There's a wealth of historical information in them one would hardly find anywhere else imo. All well documented with unimpeachable historical references to other historians.
Nope it's propaganda written by hacks and isn't the paper it's printed on


Quote:As for Abolition and Slavery, Prez. Lincoln and William Wilberforce, for e.g. as well as Anti-Slavery Crusader David Livingstone, were the Accomplished Abolitionists of their time, and they were devout Christians. Meanwhile, Darwin, Marx, Sanger and Nietzche were all Vicious White Racists. They lacked Gospel Values, the first and foremost of which is to Love your neighbor as yourself, as Jesus Christ taught. He also showed, by His Good Samaritan Parable, that that moral obligation to Love one's Neighbor transcends the boundaries of Race and Religion. That Dr. Martin Luther King was both a Christian Pastor and one of the greatest Anti-Racists of all time is well known. So were many Popes, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Rev. Billy Graham, Rev. Reinhard Bonnke, who is called "the Billy Graham of Africa", had Great Love for the African People etc. What the world needs is Love, and that's what Jesus Christ commands of all, especially His own disciples.
We've been over this and you soundly lost this debate. Hehe


Quote:As for Science and Charity, the Great Medieval Universities of Catholic Christian Europe etc, pls see this in the quote box below:
Irrelevant science neither needed christianity and would have flourished without it
"Change was inevitable"


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#16
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Nope, I soundly won it. Look at some of you Atheists declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so, lol. Sorry, you need actual arguments for that: (1) Your famous Atheists like Darwin and Marx were Vicious Racists, while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln and Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.
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#17
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Quote:Nope, I soundly won it. Look at you Atheists declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so. You need actual arguments (1) Your famous Atheists like Darwin and Marx were Vicious Racists, while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln were Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.
Nope, I soundly won it.  look at you Theist declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so. Yup, you need an argument which you have not provided in any way. Christianity -100000000000 - Atheism 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000  Hehe Hehe Hehe Hehe Hehe Hehe Hehe
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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#18
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
(July 26, 2023 at 1:03 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln and Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.

Lincoln was not a devout Christian. Plus, the abolitionist movement was against Christians who held slaves and not against atheists.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#19
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
Lincoln, the Non-Devout Christian quoting the Holy Bible and declaring the Scriptural Truth is proven by All History that those Nations are Blessed whose God is the Lord. Lolol https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/document...and-prayer

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#20
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
That does not make him devout Christian

Quote:Abraham Lincoln grew up in a highly religious Baptist family. He never joined any Church, and was a skeptic as a young man and sometimes ridiculed revivalists. He frequently referred to God and had a deep knowledge of the Bible, often quoting it. Lincoln attended Protestant church services with his wife and children. "Especially after the death of his young son Willie in 1862, Lincoln moved away from his earlier religious skepticism."[1] Some argue that Lincoln was neither a Christian believer nor a secular freethinker.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiou...am_Lincoln
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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