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RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 12:23 am
Same as Scientology which is nothing.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 12:40 am (This post was last modified: July 26, 2023 at 12:45 am by Nishant Xavier.)
(July 26, 2023 at 12:08 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.
I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods.
Both written by Western Scholars though the above links are to Amazon India. I ordered both these books recently and read them and they're excellent imo.
Nope.
The British navy basically brought the Atlantic slave trade to an end.
Christians in the Americas were still using the bible to justify slavery up to the civil war.
Well. Pls read the books and then decide for yourself, Valkyrie. There's a wealth of historical information in them one would hardly find anywhere else imo. All well documented with unimpeachable historical references to other historians.
As for Abolition and Slavery, Prez. Lincoln and William Wilberforce, for e.g. as well as Anti-Slavery Crusader David Livingstone, were the Accomplished Abolitionists of their time, and they were devout Christians. Meanwhile, Darwin, Marx, Sanger and Nietzche were all Vicious White Racists. They lacked Gospel Values, the first and foremost of which is to Love your neighbor as yourself, as Jesus Christ taught. He also showed, by His Good Samaritan Parable, that that moral obligation to Love one's Neighbor transcends the boundaries of Race and Religion. That Dr. Martin Luther King was both a Christian Pastor and one of the greatest Anti-Racists of all time is well known. So were many Popes, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Rev. Billy Graham, Rev. Reinhard Bonnke, who is called "the Billy Graham of Africa", had Great Love for the African People etc. What the world needs is Love, and that's what Jesus Christ commands of all, especially His own disciples.
As for Science and Charity, the Great Medieval Universities of Catholic Christian Europe etc, pls see this in the quote box below:
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"The Jesuits also were the first to introduce Western science into such far-off places as China and India. In 17th-century China in particular, Jesuits introduced a substantial body of scientific knowledge and a vast array of mental tools for understanding the physical universe, including the Euclidean geometry that made planetary motion comprehensible.
Jesuits made important contributions to the scientific knowledge and infrastructure of other less developed nations not only in Asia but also in Africa and Central and South America. Beginning in the 19th century, these continents saw the opening of Jesuit observatories that studied such fields as astronomy, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology and solar physics. Such observatories provided these places with accurate time keeping, weather forecasts (particularly important in the cases of hurricanes and typhoons), earthquake risk assessments and cartography...
The first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was Father Giambattista Riccioli. The man who has been called the father of Egyptology was Father Athanasius Kircher. Father Roger Boscovich, who has been described as “the greatest genius that Yugoslavia ever produced,” has often been called the father of modern atomic theory. In the sciences it was the Jesuits in particular who distinguished themselves; some 35 craters on the moon, in fact, are named after Jesuit scientists and mathematicians.
By the 18th century, writes historian Jonathan Wright, the Jesuits “had contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes, and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics, and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula, and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon affected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light.” ...
The early church also institutionalized the care of widows, orphans, the sick, and the poor in ways unseen in classical Greece or Rome. Even her harshest critics, from the fourth-century emperor Julian the Apostate all the way to Martin Luther and Voltaire, conceded the Church’s enormous contributions to the relief of human misery.
The spirit of Catholic charity — that we help those in need not out of any expectation of reciprocity, but as a pure gift, and that we even help those who might not like us — finds no analogue in classical Greece and Rome, but it is this idea of charity that we continue to embrace today.
The university was an utterly new phenomenon in European history. Nothing like it had existed in ancient Greece or Rome. The institution that we recognize today, with its faculties, courses of study, examinations and degrees, as well as the familiar distinction between undergraduate and graduate study, come to us directly from the medieval world.
By the time of the Reformation, no secular government had chartered more universities than the church. Edward Grant, who has written on medieval science for Cambridge University Press, points out that intellectual life was robust and debate was vigorous at these universities — the very opposite of the popular presumption.
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 12:46 am
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.
I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods...
Why would I waste time or money on those? I'll stick with Homer and Plato and Sophocles (and Horace, Murakami, Pratchett, Gaiman, and, oh, several thousand other books I'd rather read instead).
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 12:49 am
(July 26, 2023 at 12:46 am)Astreja Wrote:
(July 25, 2023 at 11:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Abolition of Infanticide and Slavery, Establishment of Charities and Hospitals at a rate unprecedented in the ancient pagan world (Roman Empire) and much more.
I recommend 2 Great Books (1) How Christianity changed the world by Prof Alvin Schmidt
(2) How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization by Professor Thomas Woods...
Why would I waste time or money on those? I'll stick with Homer and Plato and Sophocles (and Horace, Murakami, Pratchett, Gaiman, and, oh, several thousand other books I'd rather read instead).
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 12:58 am (This post was last modified: July 26, 2023 at 1:10 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:Well. Pls read the books and then decide for yourself, Valkyrie. There's a wealth of historical information in them one would hardly find anywhere else imo. All well documented with unimpeachable historical references to other historians.
Nope it's propaganda written by hacks and isn't the paper it's printed on
Quote:As for Abolition and Slavery, Prez. Lincoln and William Wilberforce, for e.g. as well as Anti-Slavery Crusader David Livingstone, were the Accomplished Abolitionists of their time, and they were devout Christians. Meanwhile, Darwin, Marx, Sanger and Nietzche were all Vicious White Racists. They lacked Gospel Values, the first and foremost of which is to Love your neighbor as yourself, as Jesus Christ taught. He also showed, by His Good Samaritan Parable, that that moral obligation to Love one's Neighbor transcends the boundaries of Race and Religion. That Dr. Martin Luther King was both a Christian Pastor and one of the greatest Anti-Racists of all time is well known. So were many Popes, Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Rev. Billy Graham, Rev. Reinhard Bonnke, who is called "the Billy Graham of Africa", had Great Love for the African People etc. What the world needs is Love, and that's what Jesus Christ commands of all, especially His own disciples.
We've been over this and you soundly lost this debate.
Quote:As for Science and Charity, the Great Medieval Universities of Catholic Christian Europe etc, pls see this in the quote box below:
Irrelevant science neither needed christianity and would have flourished without it
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 1:03 am (This post was last modified: July 26, 2023 at 1:05 am by Nishant Xavier.
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Nope, I soundly won it. Look at some of you Atheists declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so, lol. Sorry, you need actual arguments for that: (1) Your famous Atheists like Darwin and Marx were Vicious Racists, while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln and Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 1:07 am (This post was last modified: July 26, 2023 at 1:08 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:Nope, I soundly won it. Look at you Atheists declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so. You need actual arguments (1) Your famous Atheists like Darwin and Marx were Vicious Racists, while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln were Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.
Nope, I soundly won it. look at you Theist declaring victory and thinking that means you won just by doing so. Yup, you need an argument which you have not provided in any way. Christianity -100000000000 - Atheism 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 1:10 am
(July 26, 2023 at 1:03 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: while our (2) Devout Christians like Lincoln and Wilberforce were Wonderful Abolitionists, therefore we win, Christianity 100 - Atheism 0.
Lincoln was not a devout Christian. Plus, the abolitionist movement was against Christians who held slaves and not against atheists.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 1:14 am
Lincoln, the Non-Devout Christian quoting the Holy Bible and declaring the Scriptural Truth is proven by All History that those Nations are Blessed whose God is the Lord. Lolol https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/document...and-prayer
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"By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
Whereas the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has by a resolution requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation; and
Whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon, and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord;
And, insomuch as we know that by His divine law nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war which now desolates the land may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven; we have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity; we have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.
It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do by this my proclamation designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the people to abstain on that day from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite at their several places of public worship and their respective homes in keeping the day holy to the Lord and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the divine teachings that the united cry of the nation will be heard on high and answered with blessings no less than the pardon of our national sins and the restoration of our now divided and suffering country to its former happy condition of unity and peace. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this 30th day of March, A. D. 1863, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.
RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 26, 2023 at 1:18 am
That does not make him devout Christian
Quote:Abraham Lincoln grew up in a highly religious Baptist family. He never joined any Church, and was a skeptic as a young man and sometimes ridiculed revivalists. He frequently referred to God and had a deep knowledge of the Bible, often quoting it. Lincoln attended Protestant church services with his wife and children. "Especially after the death of his young son Willie in 1862, Lincoln moved away from his earlier religious skepticism."[1] Some argue that Lincoln was neither a Christian believer nor a secular freethinker.[2]
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"