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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 10:08 am
(August 31, 2023 at 10:04 am)LinuxGal Wrote: (August 30, 2023 at 9:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: I said that believing X is bad. The reason, as I've outlined multiple times, is that X leads to bad things (usually behaviours, though even just believing a falsehood like creationism is bad in that it harms the believer).
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/slippery-slope-fallacy/
The slippery slope fallacy is a logical fallacy [url=https://www.grammarly.com/blog/logical-fallacies/][/url]that claims one event or action will lead to another, more extreme event or action. This could be by directly causing that follow-up event, setting a precedent for it, or simply creating an environment where that follow-up event can occur. Other names for the slippery slope fallacy include the dam burst fallacy, domino fallacy, and thin end of a wedge.
Short story short, when you assume things, you make an ASS of U and ME.
So you think believing their is a link between Islamic/Christian dogma and Muslim/Christian behaviour is an example of the slippery slope fallacy?
So it's fallacious to think that because the Quran commands something Muslims are likely to do X, in your opinion?
I find that difficult to accept, but ok.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 10:13 am
(August 31, 2023 at 9:57 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: (August 31, 2023 at 9:35 am)Angrboda Wrote: I think a high level of angst is easily associated with youth and immaturity. That may be a contributing factor.
Have I demonstrated a high level of angst in my posts?
Your chosen name suggests that you're frustrated and your nihilism is a position often associated with angst or discontent.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 10:16 am
(August 31, 2023 at 10:08 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: So you think believing their is a link between Islamic/Christian dogma and Muslim/Christian behaviour is an example of the slippery slope fallacy?
So it's fallacious to think that because the Quran commands something Muslims are likely to do X, in your opinion?
The Tanakh prescribes the death penalty for breaking Shabbat, but we don't see a lot of stonings for that in Israel these days.
Ad Extirpanda prescribes torture for getting suspects to reveal the names of other heretics but the Catholic Church hasn't done a lot of that lately.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 10:48 am
(August 31, 2023 at 10:13 am)Angrboda Wrote: (August 31, 2023 at 9:57 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Have I demonstrated a high level of angst in my posts?
Your chosen name suggests that you're frustrated and your nihilism is a position often associated with angst or discontent.
So because nihilism is often associated with angst, and I am a nihilist, and because my online forum username has 'frustrated' in it, that is enough to assume I am under 18?
Fair enough.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 10:52 am
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(August 31, 2023 at 10:16 am)LinuxGal Wrote: (August 31, 2023 at 10:08 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: So you think believing their is a link between Islamic/Christian dogma and Muslim/Christian behaviour is an example of the slippery slope fallacy?
So it's fallacious to think that because the Quran commands something Muslims are likely to do X, in your opinion?
The Tanakh prescribes the death penalty for breaking Shabbat, but we don't see a lot of stonings for that in Israel these days.
Ad Extirpanda prescribes torture for getting suspects to reveal the names of other heretics but the Catholic Church hasn't done a lot of that lately.
Sure. But there's plenty of Jews and Muslims who circumcise their boys. Is that not because of the influence of their religion? And a million other acts.
Again, I ask, is it fallacious to think that because the Quran/Bible/Torah etc commands X Muslims/ Christians/ Jews etc are more likely to do X?
Is there no reasonable link between the dogmas of a religion and the acts of its adherents?
I find it hard to accept that as fallacious thinking.
We could apply that to any ideology. No link between Nazism and the holocaust? And so on. Doesn't seem a fallacy. But I'm no professor of logic.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 11:01 am
(August 31, 2023 at 10:48 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: (August 31, 2023 at 10:13 am)Angrboda Wrote: Your chosen name suggests that you're frustrated and your nihilism is a position often associated with angst or discontent.
So because nihilism is often associated with angst, and I am a nihilist, and because my online forum username has 'frustrated' in it, that is enough to assume I am under 18?
Fair enough.
No, I said it might be a factor. Your tendency to overreact may also be a factor. None of these things are in and of themselves conclusive.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 11:16 am
(August 30, 2023 at 10:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Also, are you a Muslim or an adherent to some other religion? I'm interested as to what is motivating your obvious animus here as well as what makes you so emotional on this topic.
I'm an atheist and a Taoist, but neither are really relevant. The animus stems from a belief that discriminating against people based upon religious belief is itself as harmful as discriminating on the basis of skin color, sex, or sexual orientation. It comes from a commitment to liberty which is underwritten by a vague utilitarianism.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 11:26 am
(August 31, 2023 at 11:01 am)Angrboda Wrote: (August 31, 2023 at 10:48 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: So because nihilism is often associated with angst, and I am a nihilist, and because my online forum username has 'frustrated' in it, that is enough to assume I am under 18?
Fair enough.
No, I said it might be a factor. Your tendency to overreact may also be a factor. None of these things are in and of themselves conclusive.
I think there may be a misreading of my passive aggressive sarcasm for overreacting. But fair enough.
So what other factors are at play for my posts to imply that I'm under 18? So far we have my username and that I'm a nihilist.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 11:30 am
I can personally think whatever I want about a theist, including that s/he's a twat simply for their belief system, but what matters is how I respectfully treat the person to their face.
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RE: How does your WV inform your politics?
August 31, 2023 at 11:53 am
(August 31, 2023 at 11:16 am)Angrboda Wrote: (August 30, 2023 at 10:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Also, are you a Muslim or an adherent to some other religion? I'm interested as to what is motivating your obvious animus here as well as what makes you so emotional on this topic.
I'm an atheist and a Taoist, but neither are really relevant. The animus stems from a belief that discriminating against people based upon religious belief is itself as harmful as discriminating on the basis of skin color, sex, or sexual orientation. It comes from a commitment to liberty which is underwritten by a vague utilitarianism.
Interestingly I have the same commitment.
But what unjust discrimination do you think I've proposed?
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