Had to reformat and reinstall everything.

[FlatAssembler]

It doesn't try to look like a goddamn phone [::cough:: Ubuntu ::cough::] and it has a faster update cycle [::cough:: Debian ::cough::].

I'm not arguing merits, except as applied to Linux (really, any flavor) being superior to the virus known as M$ Windows.

I was a user of Oracle Linux for more than a year, but I switched back to Windows. During the pandemic, many programs our professors used to communicate with us (on-line lectures...) didn't work on Oracle Linux. Even those programs that had a Linux version (Oracle Linux is rather non-standard). I understand and appreciate the ideology behind Linux, but, put it brutally, it doesn't work when shit hits the fan.

[Ravenshire]

I'm not arguing merits, except as applied to Linux (really, any flavor) being superior to the virus known as M$ Windows.

I was a user of Oracle Linux for more than a year, but I switched back to Windows. During the pandemic, many programs our professors used to communicate with us (on-line lectures...) didn't work on Oracle Linux. Even those programs that had a Linux version (Oracle Linux is rather non-standard). I understand and appreciate the ideology behind Linux, but, put it brutally, it doesn't work when shit hits the fan.

Considering that I currently have several Windoze programs running in Linux with Wine that simply will not run under current Windoze versions, I'm, gong to have to say you're once again fucking clueless.

You do understand that Unix/Linux is the internet, right? Even microsoft.com runs on it.

I'm guessing, like everything else, you simply couldn't be arsed to properly learn the OS, so you switched back to the OS that holds your hand every step of the way. While that's fine for Joe Average, it says a lot, none of it pleasant, about someone who wants to be a coder.

[LinuxGal]

[FlatAssembler]

I was a user of Oracle Linux for more than a year, but I switched back to Windows. During the pandemic, many programs our professors used to communicate with us (on-line lectures...) didn't work on Oracle Linux. Even those programs that had a Linux version (Oracle Linux is rather non-standard). I understand and appreciate the ideology behind Linux, but, put it brutally, it doesn't work when shit hits the fan.

Considering that I currently have several Windoze programs running in Linux with Wine that simply will not run under current Windoze versions, I'm, gong to have to say you're once again fucking clueless.

You do understand that Unix/Linux is the internet, right? Even microsoft.com runs on it.

I'm guessing, like everything else, you simply couldn't be arsed to properly learn the OS, so you switched back to the OS that holds your hand every step of the way. While that's fine for Joe Average, it says a lot, none of it pleasant, about someone who wants to be a coder.

WINE on Oracle Linux is basically capable only of running Notepad++, and no other program I tried. The problem is the 32-bit libraries which nearly all Windows programs (even today) rely on. And, on Ubuntu and other mainstream Linux distributions, WINE is basically Windows XP and almost no modern Windows programs run on it. That's not to say WINE is not an impressive project, it absolutely is. But you cannot rely on it that some random Windows app would run on Ubuntu, much less on Oracle Linux.
Oracle Linux is not good for web-development as it is difficult (if not impossible) to install Chrome on it. Chrome is the most popular web-browser today and is a must-have for every web-developer.

[FlatAssembler]

People who refuse to update their software pose a security risk in the modern age of the Internet. Especially people using browsers (and webmasters using servers) which don't support the latest TLS.

[Foxaèr]

Yet on telly every time someone wonders how they could have been hacked, the answer is that they performed a system update.

Just saying.

[Ravenshire]

Considering that I currently have several Windoze programs running in Linux with Wine that simply will not run under current Windoze versions, I'm, gong to have to say you're once again fucking clueless.


You do understand that Unix/Linux is the internet, right? Even microsoft.com runs on it.

I'm guessing, like everything else, you simply couldn't be arsed to properly learn the OS, so you switched back to the OS that holds your hand every step of the way. While that's fine for Joe Average, it says a lot, none of it pleasant, about someone who wants to be a coder.

WINE on Oracle Linux is basically capable only of running Notepad++, and no other program I tried. The problem is the 32-bit libraries which nearly all Windows programs (even today) rely on. And, on Ubuntu and other mainstream Linux distributions, WINE is basically Windows XP and almost no modern Windows programs run on it. That's not to say WINE is not an impressive project, it absolutely is. But you cannot rely on it that some random Windows app would run on Ubuntu, much less on Oracle Linux.
Oracle Linux is not good for web-development as it is difficult (if not impossible) to install Chrome on it. Chrome is the most popular web-browser today and is a must-have for every web-developer.

Oracle Linux is a distro with a specific purpose, mainly to monetize support for their Linux distro since Solaris isn't making Oracle much money these days. Debian or Arch are far more flexible. You should probably experiment about a bit before throwing out blanket statements. I'm guessing you fucked something up when installing Chrome, though. Chrome (and all it's spinoffs) are designed to run on *nix systems. I mean, Chrome OS is just another *nix distro, after all.

Wine is not perfect, but most modern software runs just fine, sometimes with a bit of tinkering, even system intensive software like modern games. Of course, there are exceptions and trade-offs. Wine, after all, is not Windows, thankfully. I have to wonder, though, with all your trouble with Wine, why didn't you just install the 32-bit libraries? It's not like that's difficult, though a proper Wine installation will already have them...

In general, Linux is a far more stable and robust OS than anything M$ has ever deployed. Need and update? Cool. Let the update run in the background and when it's done (even for core kernel updates on some distros) just keep right on working. Need an update in Windows, restart and wait forever for it to be done, even if it's only making minor patches.

It's obvious you know fuck-all about the subject. You should stop before you completely embarrass yourse... Oh, yeah...

I get it. You want your hand held every step of the way and can't be arsed to learn anything new. Windoze is good for that. Of course, Windoze loses more and more ground to *nix every year, so don't expect it to last forever. And, you might want to stay away from the Windoze PowerShell. It's a Linux kernel embedded in the M$ OS. Even Micro$oft can see the writing on the wall.

[Ravenshire]

People who refuse to update their software pose a security risk in the modern age of the Internet. Especially people using browsers (and webmasters using servers) which don't support the latest TLS.

While your parroting of the M$ company line has some merit, the biggest problem with security is M$ releasing software with thousands of KNOWN security vulnerabilities.

Computer security has far more to do with common sense practices than trading an old set of vulnerabilities for some new ones.

Viruses are nearly unheard of in Linux.

[FlatAssembler]

WINE on Oracle Linux is basically capable only of running Notepad++, and no other program I tried. The problem is the 32-bit libraries which nearly all Windows programs (even today) rely on. And, on Ubuntu and other mainstream Linux distributions, WINE is basically Windows XP and almost no modern Windows programs run on it. That's not to say WINE is not an impressive project, it absolutely is. But you cannot rely on it that some random Windows app would run on Ubuntu, much less on Oracle Linux.
Oracle Linux is not good for web-development as it is difficult (if not impossible) to install Chrome on it. Chrome is the most popular web-browser today and is a must-have for every web-developer.

Oracle Linux is a distro with a specific purpose, mainly to monetize support for their Linux distro since Solaris isn't making Oracle much money these days. Debian or Arch are far more flexible. You should probably experiment about a bit before throwing out blanket statements. I'm guessing you fucked something up when installing Chrome, though. Chrome (and all it's spinoffs) are designed to run on *nix systems. I mean, Chrome OS is just another *nix distro, after all.

Wine is not perfect, but most modern software runs just fine, sometimes with a bit of tinkering, even system intensive software like modern games. Of course, there are exceptions and trade-offs. Wine, after all, is not Windows, thankfully. I have to wonder, though, with all your trouble with Wine, why didn't you just install the 32-bit libraries? It's not like that's difficult, though a proper Wine installation will already have them...

In general, Linux is a far more stable and robust OS than anything M$ has ever deployed. Need and update? Cool. Let the update run in the background and when it's done (even for core kernel updates on some distros) just keep right on working. Need an update in Windows, restart and wait forever for it to be done, even if it's only making minor patches.

It's obvious you know fuck-all about the subject. You should stop before you completely embarrass yourse... Oh, yeah...

I get it. You want your hand held every step of the way and can't be arsed to learn anything new. Windoze is good for that. Of course, Windoze loses more and more ground to *nix every year, so don't expect it to last forever. And, you might want to stay away from the Windoze PowerShell. It's a Linux kernel embedded in the M$ OS. Even Micro$oft can see the writing on the wall.

Dude, WINE not working well on Red Hat, CentOS, Oracle Linux and other similar Linuxes is a well-known thing, even WINE developers admit that...

Notes on EPEL 7

At the time of this writing, EPEL 7 still has no 32-bit packages (including wine and its dependencies). There is a 64-bit version of wine, but without the 32-bit libraries needed for WoW64 capabilities, it cannot support any 32-bit Windows apps (the vast majority) and even many 64-bit ones (that still include 32-bit components).

This is primarily because with release 7, Red Hat didn't have enough customer demand to justify an i386 build. While Red Hat itself still comes with lean multilib and 32-bit support for legacy needs, this is part of Red Hat's release process, not the packages themselves. Therefore CentOS 7 had to develop its own workflow for building an i386 release, a process that was completed in Oct 2015.

With its i386 release, CentOS has cleared a major hurdle on the way to an EPEL with 32-bit libraries, and now the ball is in the Fedora project's court (as the maintainers of the EPEL). Once a i386 version of the EPEL becomes available, you should be able to follow the same instructions above to install a fully functional wine package for CentOS 7 and its siblings.

[Ravenshire]

Oracle Linux is a distro with a specific purpose, mainly to monetize support for their Linux distro since Solaris isn't making Oracle much money these days. Debian or Arch are far more flexible. You should probably experiment about a bit before throwing out blanket statements. I'm guessing you fucked something up when installing Chrome, though. Chrome (and all it's spinoffs) are designed to run on *nix systems. I mean, Chrome OS is just another *nix distro, after all.

Wine is not perfect, but most modern software runs just fine, sometimes with a bit of tinkering, even system intensive software like modern games. Of course, there are exceptions and trade-offs. Wine, after all, is not Windows, thankfully. I have to wonder, though, with all your trouble with Wine, why didn't you just install the 32-bit libraries? It's not like that's difficult, though a proper Wine installation will already have them...

In general, Linux is a far more stable and robust OS than anything M$ has ever deployed. Need and update? Cool. Let the update run in the background and when it's done (even for core kernel updates on some distros) just keep right on working. Need an update in Windows, restart and wait forever for it to be done, even if it's only making minor patches.

It's obvious you know fuck-all about the subject. You should stop before you completely embarrass yourse... Oh, yeah...

I get it. You want your hand held every step of the way and can't be arsed to learn anything new. Windoze is good for that. Of course, Windoze loses more and more ground to *nix every year, so don't expect it to last forever. And, you might want to stay away from the Windoze PowerShell. It's a Linux kernel embedded in the M$ OS. Even Micro$oft can see the writing on the wall.

Dude, WINE not working well on Red Hat, CentOS, Oracle Linux and other similar Linuxes is a well-known thing, even WINE developers admit that...

Notes on EPEL 7

At the time of this writing, EPEL 7 still has no 32-bit packages (including wine and its dependencies). There is a 64-bit version of wine, but without the 32-bit libraries needed for WoW64 capabilities, it cannot support any 32-bit Windows apps (the vast majority) and even many 64-bit ones (that still include 32-bit components).

This is primarily because with release 7, Red Hat didn't have enough customer demand to justify an i386 build. While Red Hat itself still comes with lean multilib and 32-bit support for legacy needs, this is part of Red Hat's release process, not the packages themselves. Therefore CentOS 7 had to develop its own workflow for building an i386 release, a process that was completed in Oct 2015.

With its i386 release, CentOS has cleared a major hurdle on the way to an EPEL with 32-bit libraries, and now the ball is in the Fedora project's court (as the maintainers of the EPEL). Once a i386 version of the EPEL becomes available, you should be able to follow the same instructions above to install a fully functional wine package for CentOS 7 and its siblings.

A Three year old release of an enterprise OS? Yeah, there's going to be issues with Wine because an enterprise OS has little use for Windoze compatibility. Did you ever try an actual desktop distro? Or, did you just give it up as "too hard" when the wrong type of software didn't do what you wanted it to?

If you're really fixated on Red Hat, Fedora (you know, the desktop version) may work for you. Really, any desktop version of any Debian based OS (or desktop versions of any Arch based distros) would probably work for you, if you're willing to put in a bit of work for the rewards Linux can grant. But, I'm guessing that "bit of work" will rule you out. You seem to be allergic to it.

Seriously though, it really exposes your deep ignorance when you keep insisting something doesn't work to someone who has it properly working.