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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 11:23 am
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(October 15, 2023 at 10:53 am)LinuxGal Wrote: (October 15, 2023 at 8:41 am)WinterHold Wrote: In every age, there must be "people fighting for the good", faced by "people fighting for evil".
Jews vs Nazis.
Who were the good people in that one? It's hard to tell, going by your other posts.
Jews were the good people. being pulverized and tortured by the Nazis.
Just like Gaza Palestinians are being pulverized and tortured by the Israeli war machine.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 11:35 am
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 11:39 am
The area that invented organized warfare is ... fuck all.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 11:43 am
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(October 15, 2023 at 8:15 am)WinterHold Wrote: Nobody should attack civilians, but in wars the targeting of your enemy's civilians lead them to do the same.
The U.S does it.
Europe does is.
Asia does it.
Africans do it.
Arabs do it. They are murdering Muslims in Yemen and you don't care, but instead pretend to mourn people who died in Japan more than 70 years ago because all you do is mindlessly spread Russian propaganda.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 12:06 pm
(October 15, 2023 at 11:43 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Arabs do it. They are murdering Muslims in Yemen and you don't care, but instead pretend to mourn people who died in Japan more than 70 years ago because all you do is mindlessly spread Russian propaganda.
Russian spamsnots at their best.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 12:12 pm
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2023 at 12:17 pm by WinterHold.)
(October 15, 2023 at 11:17 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @WinterHold
Quote:You should, because that's the constitution of Hamas.
And that makes it better, how? Yes, because it makes things very obvious from second 1:
EG:
-Do you want war ? then this verse is for that scenario:
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2?startingVerse=190
(190) Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah does not like transgressors.
(191) Kill them wherever you come upon them1 and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution2 is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.
- Do you want peace ? then this verse is for that scenario:
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2?startingVerse=190
(192) But if they cease, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
- You ask why Muslims attack Israeli cities ? then this verse is for that scenario:
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.com/2?startingVerse=192
Kill them wherever you come upon them1 and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution2 is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.
I mean, they drove Muslims out first. Invaded their land from 1948, and practiced every bit of atrocity against them. Hamas is just driving them out, the same way they drove them out..except that Hamas has no air force.
Quote: Well, we can agree on that much, at least. But simply because ‘everybody does it’ does not excuse it.
Notice the verses above: killing civilians depends on the foes' killing of civilians,
Islamic war law is a mirror for the most part, I highlighted the mirroring with red text in the verses.
The enemy must begin the killing, then Muslim warriors just mirror his atrocities, so he may cease:
Quote:Sura 8, The Quran:
https://quran.com/8?startingVerse=57
(57) If you ever encounter them in battle, make a fearsome example of them, so perhaps those who would follow them may be deterred.
The goal of battle is to make the enemy "cease their atrocities", by "reflecting -mirroring- their deeds", with a limit of course, Muslims should never exceed the limit.
Quote:You have a keen grasp of the obvious. But the point you’re missing is the presence of human shields around a military target doesn’t stop it from being a military target.
In the case of Perl Harbor, it was either a severe tactical mistake or intentional to build the military dock of the US Navy near civilians to get bombed.
I can see a cunning American politician taking joy in seeing Americans burn to have his justification to enter WW2 against Japan.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 12:36 pm
Winter, proudly parading around his inhumanity. Would be funny, if people would not suffer due to this mindset.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 1:00 pm
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(October 15, 2023 at 12:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: In the case of Perl Harbor, it was either a severe tactical mistake or intentional to build the military dock of the US Navy near civilians to get bombed.
It's not like they could move the harbor to an uninhabited place, or park the ships in unsheltered waters outside the harbor. However, civilians didn't live on the base. They lived near it, in Honolulu, eight or so miles away. That's a far cry from Hamas putting a missile battery next to a hospital or something.
(October 15, 2023 at 12:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I can see a cunning American politician taking joy in seeing Americans burn to have his justification to enter WW2 against Japan.
Every time I think you've plumbed the depths of stupidity, you break out your shovel and get hard to work. Your knowledge of history is at least as bad as your knowledge of current events. You should read more and post less.
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 1:19 pm
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(October 14, 2023 at 7:20 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (October 14, 2023 at 7:11 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Whether the baby reports are true or not the ones I mentioned above are undisputivlly true
You fell in the lies of IDF:
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/fact-...-104384138
Quote:Fact Check: Ben Shapiro Shares AI-Generated Image Of 'Burnt Baby' Amid Israel-Hamas War
Conservative columnist and commentator Ben Shapiro shared an image of a burnt Jewish baby on X (formerly Twitter) amid the Israel-Hamas conflict.
!! it's fake ! Israel is using fake images and fake news to get support for their butchery against Palestinians. Actually, it's you who has posted fake news. As much as I dislike Ben Shapiro and think his statement was borderline sociopathic and total BS. That image was not fake.
https://interestingengineering.com/cultu...to-is-fake
But neither is this child
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfe...ke-in-gaza]https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/12/mothers-final-kiss-with-child-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza
And I highly doubt Shapiro sheds a single fucking tear for this kid considering his past statements about the Palestinians
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RE: Palestine
October 15, 2023 at 1:36 pm
(October 15, 2023 at 12:12 pm)WinterHold Wrote: In the case of Perl Harbor, it was either a severe tactical mistake or intentional to build the military dock of the US Navy near civilians to get bombed.
Nevertheless 68 civilians were killed. The real tactical mistake was on Admiral Nagumo for withdrawing his fleet without a third wave to take out the oil tank farm. The strategic mistake of Japan was thinking the war depended on battleships. Someone had the foresight to pull the American carriers out to sea before the Pearl Harbor attack and we all know what happened later at Coral Sea and Midway.
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