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(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: ok first of all i am not CLAIMING anything, so do not seek to ridicule me by pretending i am saying something i am not.
I'm not ridiculing you, I'm ridiculing the belief that aliens visited ancient man. If you hold that belief, too bad. If you don't, why take offense?
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: you dismiss my picture of 'a man sitting on something vaguely rocket-shaped' before even understanding the purpose of why i used it. it is an EXAMPLE. i did not intend for that picture alone to be taken as all of the evidence i have used to create this thread, c'mon give me some credit here.
Yes, an example of evidence. I dismiss it as such.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: you speak as if this is what i am saying to be true, when i am not, i am just giving food for thought. i am just giving a point of discussion which i myself find interesting.
We are discussing whether or not the belief has any basis in reality. Whether or not you believe it is irrelevant. Although given the defensive nature of your post, it does seem as though you're being somewhat dishonest about what you believe.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: i will try to help you understand why i think this theory is as valid as the next persons.
It's not a theory, at least not by the scientific definition of the word.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: firstly i want to draw your attention to the pyramids. now can you explain to me how in three different continents at the same time three different civilisations were creating these wonders which we cannot replicate today? they had no way of communicating with each other so that would leave two possibilities. you take this phenomenon as a fluke, a coincidence. OR something influenced these peoples to start builiding these immaculately precise structures at the same time. now i will leave it to you to come up with a theory of your own as to what this 'something' was. i am not saying it was DEFINITELY aliens, BUT i am saying that it is perfectly valid.
You're arguing from incredulity, which doesn't hold any water at all.
I also think you're being dishonest and trying to make it seem more unlikely that it really is. Firstly, within several centuries is not "at the same time". Secondly, the buildings are not as similar as you would have us believe. Thirdly, I contend your statement that they cannot be replicated today. It would take a lot of money, manpower and effort, but if someone were so inclined they could have a replica of any of the ancient pyramids built.
We clearly have different definitions of the validity of a claim. To you it seems to mean that it is simply not impossible, to me it means there is evidence in support of the claim.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: third, what about the nazca lines in peru?
these are massive drawings on the ground which can only be viewed properly from the air? why the hell would a civilisation without the power of flight design these drawings so that they can only be visible from miles up in the sky? to honour their gods? this is exactly the point i am making, what if their 'gods' were these space faring beings!
on top of that how does this civilisation draw an image of a spider which is only viewable under a microscope without the use of A MICROSCOPE?!? can you answer me this? the only solution i can think of myself and forgive me if i am missing something here, but the only thing i can think of is some sort of intervention by something more technologically advanced. either that or again your telling me it's a fluke.
The Nazca lines are fucking amazing, sure. Are they evidence of an extra-terrestrial visitor to Earth?
No.
The microscope claim refers to the idea that the Orion Spider actually depicts the Ricinulei spider, a claim which, as far as I can tell, was put forward in the book Beyond Stonehenge, and doesn't seem to appear at all in the peer-reviewed literature. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like a claim that appears nowhere but in a somewhat obscure archaeology book.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: i think i have given you enough there to come back to me with. i would again like to stress, i do not submit this all as fact, the whole purpose of this thread was to provide food for thought...
Again, whether or not you believe it to be fact isn't really relevant to a discussion of whether or not it is supported by evidence.
(April 15, 2011 at 6:35 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: ...and make people realise this is just a viable theory as any other as to where religion came from.
No, it simply isn't, and stating that it is over and over again will not make it so.
i take all of your points and to be fair i agree with them. there is no concrete evidence we have been visited, i merely wanted to put forward this thread to see how it would hold against people like yourself.
Quote:When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his ideas if they saw actual proof.
It's pretty obvious that this guy didn't care at all whether what he was saying was actually true or not.
Btw Nap, if you want to quote large blocks of text, you might want to use hide and /hide tags, like this:
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Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
Quote:When confronted with this evidence, von Däniken argued that the deception was justified because some people would only believe his ideas if they saw actual proof.
It's pretty obvious that this guy didn't care at all whether what he was saying was actually true or not.
Btw Nap, if you want to quote large blocks of text, you might want to use hide and /hide tags, like this:
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lol thanks man, i really dont know what im doing to be honest. i have to say though i have seen alot of things to do with this ancient astronaut theory and alot of it is very convincing. you should watch those documentaries i highlighted.
even still i am very sceptical and your thorough analysis did show it all up to be crap. there are however a heap of questions which are left unanswered but i guess you can't just put 'aliens did it' in there because it's no better than saying 'god did it' really.
(April 15, 2011 at 10:17 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I don't know ... was Spielberg's movie THAT good.
"phone home ... god wants you to phone home".
there's alot of interesting stuff out there on this! like i said i probably shouldnt of phrased myself quite the way i did, however the topic of the discussion is COULD E.T. have influenced religion? not did it, or how or why. just could.
to be honest i still think it's as viable as the next persons idea but that's just because i've seen a hell of a lot of convincing swash on this subject. like i said this webpage http://www.world-mysteries.com/aa.htm shows really what i'm talking about
but yeah it's just wishful thinking in my opinion, the biggest likelihood is that we humans just formed these ridiculous religions on our own.
April 15, 2011 at 11:32 am (This post was last modified: April 15, 2011 at 11:37 am by lilphil1989.)
(April 15, 2011 at 10:08 am)Napoleon666 Wrote: there are however a heap of questions which are left unanswered but i guess you can't just put 'aliens did it' in there because it's no better than saying 'god did it' really.
Exactly. You should never be afraid to say "I don't know", if that is the honest answer, because that is always better than an "explanation" that requires an unjustified claim.
thesummerqueen Wrote:Fuck. I already used that great double facepalm on Min's Ass-holiness thread.
There's no such thing as too much Picard!
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