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Hello soulcalm17
RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 17, 2024 at 10:08 pm)soulcalm17 Wrote: Btw, I appreciate you Ferrocyanide, for reviewing the verses one by one. That is good way. Then we can continue to talk a bit academically.
Later on insha Allah I will reply it one by one. It would not possible to me make it in one day, because I have to do my job daily in my office. So please wait.

I don’t mind. Take your time.

Also, you would have to explain what is in the Koran that makes it impossible for a human to write.
Is that your view of all religious texts?
What about other works of text form, such as the story of Superman?
What about scientific text?
What about music?
What about software?
What about short Youtube videos? Any videos?

Can you list ALL content that is made by the jewish? I understand that you want to include the Koran in that list.
You just need to mention what else. For now, you don’t have to substantiate it.
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RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 15, 2024 at 9:08 pm)soulcalm17 Wrote: About consciousness, why scientist not tried to put a camera in the womb of some animal, let's say elephant, and see how the consciousness happened for the first time in her baby?

Because consciousness doesn't show up on a camera? Seriously, why would you even try that?

Also, consciousness develops gradually. There's no instant during development in which an organism suddenly goes from insensate to fully aware. The process continues well after birth for humans and is the reason that newborns are largely screaming balls of instinct and passingly poor at holding lengthy discussions of a philosophical nature.

It is much simpler to take a fully conscious subject, pop them into an MRI imager or an EEG, and render them unconscious with an anaesthetic. Did it never occur to you to wonder how something that you think came from god can be taken away by nothing more than some simple chemicals? For that matter, you can take it away by very simple physical means (e.g.: a baseball bat to the head) but that risks permanent damage.
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RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 16, 2024 at 6:29 am)soulcalm17 Wrote: God wants people to being true happy in their life, so that He gave us the revelation that's including story in it.

He cares about humans?

My reply:
Yes, of course he is. He has a plan. And he already decided that good people will go to jannah (paradise), while the bad people will go to hell.

If He didn’t care, he wouldn’t send the revelation that remind human to his decision. He will ignore it but still make the decision in afterlife that bad people go to hell. It would be not fair. That’s why He always show the right path to every person so that each person would not complain to Him in afterlife, like saying: why did you not give knowledge/enlightment about this before, so that I become true and good believer?
This reminding, like I remind you today, is the evidence that He is fair and actually want people to go to the paradise.


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RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 17, 2024 at 2:10 am) pid=\2204525' Wrote:



My Reply:

This is the difference between the holy books of Islam and the books of other religions. The verses in the Quran are preserved, because these verses were initially accepted and memorized by Muhammad ﷺ and his companions. So even when translated into another language, we can still refer to the original language.

What you convey is a summary of your own point of view, which is of course filled with hate bias, so you use words like f**k. I'm guessing that shouldn't be allowed in the rules of this forum right?
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RE: Hello soulcalm17
Quote:Surah At Tawba 9:49
There are some of them who say, “Exempt me and do not expose me to temptation.”1 They have already fallen into temptation. And Hell will surely engulf the disbelievers. If a blessing befalls you ˹O Prophet˺, they grieve, but if a disaster befalls you, they say, “We took our precaution in advance,” and turn away, rejoicing. Say, “Nothing will ever befall us except what Allah has destined for us. He is our Protector.” So in Allah let the believers put their trust.

And the text continues. It essentially considers the muslims who wanted to stay behind at the camp as disbelievers, as fuckers, as fags, as bags of shit. They deserve hell.
It also says that if Mohamed fails to gain victory, these guys would say “Glad I didn’t go. Glad I’m safe.”

The lines above might be documenting actual events and the lines are obviously written after these events.
It might be that Mohamed won that war. i don’t know.
It looks like Mohamed is pissed off that some able body men decided to not risk their lives.

My Reply:

Verse 49 also explains the condition of hypocrites. The hypocrites mentioned, who did not take part in the war, deserved punishment. Because they weaken the Muslims. And the prophet Muhammad did win in that war. Win without spending any energy in battle. Because the Roman army was afraid and did not dare to face the Muslim troops. And the Muslim troops went home because they had no one to fight.
 
However, no. This verse did not come down after the war ended. This verse came down when Muhammad invited people to join the war. The verse states that the hypocrites, when the Muslim troops win in the war, they would be resentful (because they would not had spoil of war). However, if the Muslims lose the war, they will rejoice and say things like: I told you not to join the war. That is the trait of cowardice revealed by Allah in the Quran. And so that it becomes a lesson for Muslims not to follow their path.
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Quote:Surah Al Fath, 48:27
“Indeed, Allah will fulfil His Messenger’s vision in all truth: Allah willing, you will surely enter the Sacred Mosque, in security—some with heads shaved and others with hair shortened—without fear. He knew what you did not know, so He first granted you the triumph at hand”.

Those lines were written after 632, which is when Mohamed was dead and it is after that that some guys wrote the Koran.
In other words, they went into some sacred church, which I don’t know which one they are talking about. There was only 1 sacred church in Saudi Arabia?
You said that in 630, Mohamed and friends came to Mecca and went into some sacred church.
The text does not state 630 and it does not state who will enter the sacred church. In other words, if they had failed to enter in 630, there is no expiration date. Muslims could have succeeded in entering he sacred church in the year 2010 and you would say that the prophecy has been fulfilled.
It is similar in the case of Israel. The claim is that it was prophecized that jews would get back Israel and they did in 1948.

How about if Mohamed predicts in 630 that in the 19 th century, an X number of elements would be discovered and that a certain person, I guess Mendelev would work on the periodic table of elements?
How about if Mohamed predicts in 630 that a very powerful weapon, called a nuclear weapon would be developed during the 193x?
It need not be something of a scientific nature. Mohamed could have drawn a map of New York, showed all the street names, all the bridges with names, a list of mayors.
Now that would be impressive.

Sorry, I'm not skillful to make quote and hide content. I need to repeat about Al Fath, 48:27, and the rest is continuation of content
My Reply:
Firstly, your assumption that the Prophet Muhammad entered a church is a mistake. In the text, it is not written church, but mosque. The mosque referred to in this verse is the Grand Mosque (Masjidil Haram), which is now a pilgrimage destination. Again, you discuss the issue of writing the Quran, which I think I explained in the previous reply. Likewise regarding the issue of year details and other historical details.

If you want the Prophet Muhammad to predict the discovery of chemical elements, nuclear weapons, maps of New York, etc. My question is, why was those said at that time? People at that time didn’t need those complete information, and it had nothing to do with their daily needs. I have explained to you that the verses in the Quran are not empty verses without useful meaning for humans. So whatever information is included in the Quran, God must also ask humans to reflect on these verses and take lessons from them.




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RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 19, 2024 at 2:52 am)Paleophyte Wrote:
(July 15, 2024 at 9:08 pm)soulcalm17 Wrote: About consciousness, why scientist not tried to put a camera in the womb of some animal, let's say elephant, and see how the consciousness happened for the first time in her baby?

Because consciousness doesn't show up on a camera? Seriously, why would you even try that?

Also, consciousness develops gradually. There's no instant during development in which an organism suddenly goes from insensate to fully aware. The process continues well after birth for humans and is the reason that newborns are largely screaming balls of instinct and passingly poor at holding lengthy discussions of a philosophical nature.

It is much simpler to take a fully conscious subject, pop them into an MRI imager or an EEG, and render them unconscious with an anaesthetic. Did it never occur to you to wonder how something that you think came from god can be taken away by nothing more than some simple chemicals? For that matter, you can take it away by very simple physical means (e.g.: a baseball bat to the head) but that risks permanent damage.

"Because consciousness doesn't show up on a camera? Seriously, why would you even try that?"

That is my serious question actually. I also want to know what are the effect of "the event of soul being blown to the physics of organism". 
Was it electricity? Or anything else.

Look that I can still know that it actually soul that blown by God. But it's okay to know how God's works on it.

"It is much simpler to take a fully conscious subject, pop them into an MRI imager or an EEG, and render them unconscious with an anaesthetic"

That's might be work on disappearing consciousness, but the organism still alive with their heart beating. So, what is life actually?
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RE: Hello soulcalm17
Life is mere biology.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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Apparently it's something that megapixies blow.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Hello soulcalm17
(July 22, 2024 at 5:20 am)soulcalm17 Wrote: "Because consciousness doesn't show up on a camera? Seriously, why would you even try that?"

That is my serious question actually. I also want to know what are the effect of "the event of soul being blown to the physics of organism". 
Was it electricity? Or anything else.

None whatsoever. Science has never detected a soul and I fully expect that it never will. And for exactly the same reason that it hasn't detected fairies, dragons or unicorns.

Quote:"It is much simpler to take a fully conscious subject, pop them into an MRI imager or an EEG, and render them unconscious with an anaesthetic"

That's might be work on disappearing consciousness, but the organism still alive with their heart beating. So, what is life actually?

Shifting goalposts much? We were talking about consciousness not simply life. That's a whole other discussion. If you want you can leave the subject in the machine and turn the anaesthetic off. They'll regain consciousness and you can watch the effects. Just don't expect a soul.
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