Rising crime in the UK

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The problem is racist bias, there are many causes of crime, increased melanin isn't one of them. You have started with a racial prejudice, and you're using a facile subjective bias, to bend facts to that belief, rather than bending beliefs to the facts. 

It's also clear how dishonest you're being here, as you dismissed objective research when it refuted your lie that crime was increasing in the UK, with naught but handwaving, but when you want something to reinforce your racism, you can look for it. I am starting to lose patience now that your posts are becoming more overtly racist, and I can't be alone.

Yes, racist bias is the problem. I agree with that. That's why I couldn't find many instances of stabbings done by white people. It was almost all blacks.

‘More than half were with people.’

‘Almost all blacks.’

Do you SEE the problem??

Boru

[Sheldon]

The problem is racist bias, there are many causes of crime, increased melanin isn't one of them. You have started with a racial prejudice, and you're using a facile subjective bias, to bend facts to that belief, rather than bending beliefs to the facts. 

It's also clear how dishonest you're being here, as you dismissed objective research when it refuted your lie that crime was increasing in the UK, with naught but handwaving, but when you want something to reinforce your racism, you can look for it. I am starting to lose patience now that your posts are becoming more overtly racist, and I can't be alone.

Yes, racist bias is the problem. I agree with that. #

Great, maybe you can work on being less racist? It is a nasty odious way to behave after all.

So to recap, you lied about crime rising in the UK, when it has in fact been decreasing for 30 years. You waved away the evidence that exposed that lie, and now you're posting racist lies, and no one is going to bother taking you seriously anymore. 

I imagine you will go the way of all trolls.

[Rev. Rye]

Well, since I’m not encumbered by the 30/30 rule (you need to be on the forums for at least 30 days with at least 30 posts in order to post links), here are a few I found with a little bit of Google Fu.

Sword-wielding man goes on stabbing spree after smashing vehicle into home in London, arrested.

Unmasked: Jealous ex-boyfriend, 16, who stalked and stabbed to death 15-year-old Holly Newton in an alleyway after she broke up with him.

Leicester Square: Girl, 11, 'stabbed eight times in random knife attack' revealed to be Australian tourist.

All three of these stabbings happened within the last year in the UK, and all three were done by white people.

[Jamie Smithie]

Well, since I’m not encumbered by the 30/30 rule (you need to be on the forums for at least 30 days with at least 30 posts in order to post links), here are a few I found with a little bit of Google Fu.

Sword-wielding man goes on stabbing spree after smashing vehicle into home in London, arrested.

Unmasked: Jealous ex-boyfriend, 16, who stalked and stabbed to death 15-year-old Holly Newton in an alleyway after she broke up with him.

Leicester Square: Girl, 11, 'stabbed eight times in random knife attack' revealed to be Australian tourist.

All three of these stabbings happened within the last year in the UK, and all three were done by white people.

In that case, you're the perfect candidate for my challenge. You vill accept, ja?

Let's do a little experiment. Since I'm the racist character in this pantomime, I will look for stories about black people committing serious crimes in, say, the last 5 years in the UK. Only blacks. Or shall we extend that to any non whites? You tell me. 

You, the "anti"-racist, will look for stories about british people doing crimes. 

Rather than arguing back and forth about who does how much of what, or waving around statistics as though they mean much, how about we simply compare notes. 

If you manage to find more white criminals than my black criminals, it won't necessarily mean much in my opinion considering that the UK is still predominantly populated by native british people. However, we can debate the conclusion. 

But if I manage to find more black criminals than your white ones, I will leave it up to you what the conclusion is. 

Since you are a fellow student of the ancient art of Google Fu...shall we play? We can of course discuss terms. 

(By the way I won't be able to post links or images, so I'll have to do it some other way).

[Nay_Sayer]

Well, since I’m not encumbered by the 30/30 rule (you need to be on the forums for at least 30 days with at least 30 posts in order to post links), here are a few I found with a little bit of Google Fu.

Sword-wielding man goes on stabbing spree after smashing vehicle into home in London, arrested.

Unmasked: Jealous ex-boyfriend, 16, who stalked and stabbed to death 15-year-old Holly Newton in an alleyway after she broke up with him.

Leicester Square: Girl, 11, 'stabbed eight times in random knife attack' revealed to be Australian tourist.

All three of these stabbings happened within the last year in the UK, and all three were done by white people.

In that case, you're the perfect candidate for my challenge. You vill accept, ja?

Let's do a little experiment. Since I'm the racist character in this pantomime, I will look for stories about black people committing serious crimes in, say, the last 5 years in the UK. Only blacks. Or shall we extend that to any non whites? You tell me. 

You, the "anti"-racist, will look for stories about british people doing crimes. 

Rather than arguing back and forth about who does how much of what, or waving around statistics as though they mean much, how about we simply compare notes. 

If you manage to find more white criminals than my black criminals, it won't necessarily mean much in my opinion considering that the UK is still predominantly populated by native british people. However, we can debate the conclusion. 

But if I manage to find more black criminals than your white ones, I will leave it up to you what the conclusion is. 

Since you are a fellow student of the ancient art of Google Fu...shall we play? We can of course discuss terms. 

(By the way I won't be able to post links or images, so I'll have to do it some other way).

Bold mine, But he's not a racist, honest.

Just embrace what you are Jammy and may FSM unharden your heart. RAmen

[Rev. Rye]

For what it’s worth, when it comes to perpetrators, I am aware that, at least in per capita terms, black people (even in Britain) get a higher arrest rate than white people. I suspect that a lot of people (like the OP) would see that and just think “okay, I guess black people are just inherently more criminal.”

But then again, a lot of people (like me) want to look deeper into it and wonder why this is the case. Now, the issues over why crime occurs is an extremely complicated one, but poverty is one of the most obvious factors, and this remains true even in Britain. And it turns out that non-white people are a lot more likely to live in poverty.

[Jamie Smithie]

For what it’s worth, when it comes to perpetrators, I am aware that, at least in per capita terms, black people (even in Britain) get a higher arrest rate than white people. I suspect that a lot of people (like the OP) would see that and just think “okay, I guess black people are just inherently more criminal.”

But then again, a lot of people (like me) want to look deeper into it and wonder why this is the case. Now, the issues over why crime occurs is an extremely complicated one, but poverty is one of the most obvious factors, and this remains true even in Britain. And it turns out that non-white people are a lot more likely to live in poverty.

I would be curious as to why you would wish to wonder about the reasons in the first place. I suspect that in the case of black people, you don't want to believe that they're more prone to criminality (I'm not saying they are) and so to you, there must surely be some other factor, a factor that would apply to anyone. 

This is simply a suggestion: What if it is simply the case that black people are wired differently and react differently to things? I'm not saying this is the case, however I've seen many videos of a black person being calmly questioned by the police only to suddenly turn aggressive, which I can imagine would cause some people to conclude that they are more troublesome by nature. That may not be true but some may think that after seeing this play out multiple times. 

Is it really so painful to accept the possibility that they're different? I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking you would it be so difficult to accept it, if it was the case.

[The Grand Nudger]

Clown.

[Angrboda]

For what it’s worth, when it comes to perpetrators, I am aware that, at least in per capita terms, black people (even in Britain) get a higher arrest rate than white people. I suspect that a lot of people (like the OP) would see that and just think “okay, I guess black people are just inherently more criminal.”

But then again, a lot of people (like me) want to look deeper into it and wonder why this is the case. Now, the issues over why crime occurs is an extremely complicated one, but poverty is one of the most obvious factors, and this remains true even in Britain. And it turns out that non-white people are a lot more likely to live in poverty.

I would be curious as to why you would wish to wonder about the reasons in the first place. I suspect that in the case of black people, you don't want to believe that they're more prone to criminality (I'm not saying they are) and so to you, there must surely be some other factor, a factor that would apply to anyone. 

This is simply a suggestion: What if it is simply the case that black people are wired differently and react differently to things? I'm not saying this is the case, however I've seen many videos of a black person being calmly questioned by the police only to suddenly turn aggressive, which I can imagine would cause some people to conclude that they are more troublesome by nature. That may not be true but some may think that after seeing this play out multiple times. 

Is it really so painful to accept the possibility that they're different? I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking you would it be so difficult to accept it, if it was the case.

Scientifically speaking, there's no such thing as race. There are no systematic differences between people of different "races", so from a biological perspective, there is no inherent reason why the behavior of people with dark skin should differ from that of people with light skin. That's strong circumstantial evidence that any behavioral differences are a product of environment. So it follows from the science that there are likely confounding factors involved. One need not manufacture a reason for the curiosity about confounding factors such as wokeness, white guilt, or whatever. It's simply following the evidence.

[Rev. Rye]

I would be curious as to why you would wish to wonder about the reasons in the first place. I suspect that in the case of black people, you don't want to believe that they're more prone to criminality (I'm not saying they are) and so to you, there must surely be some other factor, a factor that would apply to anyone. 

This is simply a suggestion: What if it is simply the case that black people are wired differently and react differently to things? I'm not saying this is the case, however I've seen many videos of a black person being calmly questioned by the police only to suddenly turn aggressive, which I can imagine would cause some people to conclude that they are more troublesome by nature. That may not be true but some may think that after seeing this play out multiple times. 

Is it really so painful to accept the possibility that they're different? I'm not saying they are, I'm just asking you would it be so difficult to accept it, if it was the case.

Scientifically speaking, there's no such thing as race. There are no systematic differences between people of different "races", so from a biological perspective, there is no inherent reason why the behavior of people with dark skin should differ from that of people with light skin. That's strong circumstantial evidence that any behavioral differences are a product of environment. So it follows from the science that there are likely confounding factors involved. One need not manufacture a reason for the curiosity about confounding factors such as wokeness, white guilt, or whatever. It's simply following the evidence.

So, if both race and crime are social constructs, assuming a natural correlation between the two is a dead end.