I will prove to you that God exists

[Sheldon]

I'm a theist but I'm not 100% sure. How can anyone be certain how a universe that caused intelligent life to exist was caused inadvertently by mindless natural forces? 

Lets try again:

1. Why do you think the only two choices are:
a) Certainty no deity created the universe?
b) Belief in a deity? 
2. Do you know what a false dichotomy fallacy is?
3. Do you understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive?
4. Do you know what agnosticism means? (I only ask, as you misrepresented atheism several times)
5. If you don't know whether something is true, is it reasonable to believe it to be so?
6. If you don't know, and so don't believe, that any deity exists, what word(s) best describes you?
7. If some god claims can be disproved, but others not, but you still don't know the latter are true, what word(s) best describe you?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Universes are not laptops. Read your Hume, he debunked this nonsense almost 300 years ago.


And I WILL answer your question: It would be far more magical if an all-powerful Being, operating outside the constraints of time and space, created intelligence in a slipshod fashion than if natural processes did the same thing. We have mountains of evidence for the former, none for the latter.


Boru

Did you get "former" and "latter" mixed up here?

I did. Let’s blame it on sleep deprivation.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Drew_2013

The reason atheists are such a minority is because you sell a fish story.

And the reason there are so many theists is that most people are afraid of The Dark©️.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

This is like reading through trying to explain things to a petulant child.

It's almost painful.

Maybe if we give him a glass of milk and a bikkie he’ll calm down.

Boru

In a sippy cup.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'm a theist but I'm not 100% sure. How can anyone be certain how a universe that caused intelligent life to exist was caused inadvertently by mindless natural forces? 

Lets try again:

1. Why do you think the only two choices are:
a) Certainty no deity created the universe?
b) Belief in a deity? 
2. Do you know what a false dichotomy fallacy is?
3. Do you understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive?
4. Do you know what agnosticism means? (I only ask, as you misrepresented atheism several times)
5. If you don't know whether something is true, is it reasonable to believe it to be so?
6. If you don't know, and so don't believe, that any deity exists, what word(s) best describes you?
7. If some god claims can be disproved, but others not, but you still don't know the latter are true, what word(s) best describe you?

Can we start a betting pool on how many of these questions will be answered?

Boru

[Nay_Sayer]

Lets try again:

1. Why do you think the only two choices are:
a) Certainty no deity created the universe?
b) Belief in a deity? 
2. Do you know what a false dichotomy fallacy is?
3. Do you understand that agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive?
4. Do you know what agnosticism means? (I only ask, as you misrepresented atheism several times)
5. If you don't know whether something is true, is it reasonable to believe it to be so?
6. If you don't know, and so don't believe, that any deity exists, what word(s) best describes you?
7. If some god claims can be disproved, but others not, but you still don't know the latter are true, what word(s) best describe you?

Can we start a betting pool on how many of these questions will be answered?

Boru

*slides everything onto '0' spot*

Come on poppa needs a new pair of shoes

[Paleophyte]

And the reason there are so many theists is that most people are afraid of The Dark©️.

Odd how many of them are standing around with their eyes closed, hollering "I see the light!"

[Paleophyte]

Do you know of some force inside spacetime that caused spacetime to exist? We have mountains of evidence that natural forces came into existence. That tells us nothing about what caused them to exist or why the myriad of exacting properties and characteristics for life obtained.

All you're demonstrating is that in any epistemological system the root cause has to be treated specially.

Put more simply, if you keep asking "Why" long enough you get to a point where you can't easily find an answer. This is true for everybody regardless of belief. Here's how it goes:

Atheist
Q:Why does the universe exist?
A: Because of the Big Bang.
Q: Why does the Big Bang exist?
A: I don't know.

Theist:
Q:Why does the universe exist?
A: Because of the Big Bang.
Q: Why does the Big Bang exist?
A: God made it.
Q: Why does God exist?
A: I don't know.

Both camps arrive at the same inevitable conclusion, but theists use an extra step that invokes an all-powerful supernatural entity for which there is no evidence and no possible explanation. That step has negative value for a long list of reasons. First and foremost, it cuts the throat of your argument with Occam's razor due to the addition of an infinitely complex and utterly inexplicable entity. It also prevents any further examination by terminating the chain of reasoning in the ineffable. Ending with "Goddunnit" means that mortal minds can inquire no further, which is why the last answer you'll frequently hear from theists isn't an honest "I don't know" but rather a "Die heretic!" By contrast, the atheist, and anybody looking to natural explanations for that matter, can end with, "I don't know yet, but we're still looking." That gets you out into the wilderness of speculative cosmology, but at least there isn't a priest holding a big sign reading "Thou shalt not ask!" The root cause may always terminate at "I don't know" but that's no excuse to stop trying to push back the boundaries.

[Paleophyte]

[Thumpalumpacus]

Put shortly, special pleading. Why entertain it any further?