So about this so-called Epstein list

[The Grand Nudger]

They have bank records. Could they be traced? Some, sure..but by no means all - a savvy rich man who likes under age girls probably also likes llcs in the caymans.

[Mister Agenda]

In the normal course of events the DOJ would never release information like this. If they could prove culpability they would prosecute, or possibly offer a deal for bigger fish. Either way, if they don't prosecute, they don't divulge. This is why Biden never released who was implicated. But Trump ran on releasing the Epstein files and getting shit done, and now that it's on the line he isn't doing either.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's space between believing they could prove something and believing they could secure a conviction. There's no doubt that many people in the doj and ofc everyones favorite special prosecutor believed they could prove donald and his gang that can't shoot straight committed crimes. It's always been the ability to secure a conviction that's in doubt.

Not that it would matter, as we all know, donald can't get a fair trial according to donald unless the jury is exclusively composed of drooling maggots festooned in merch, and if those guys do convict him, they're his weak minded former friends whose support he doesn't want, and he wouldn't pay any fines or awarded damages.... nor would he show up to go to jail, no matter what. If that caused a giant shitstorm then obviously that's the others guys fault too, for witch-hunting americas most beloved president at 90% approval ratings.

[Alan V]

From The Conversation:

Epstein’s arrest and death became a central focus for QAnon followers, who saw them as proof of a hidden global elite engaged in child trafficking and protected by powerful institutions. The release – or withholding – of the Epstein files is often cited within QAnon movement circles as evidence of a broader cover-up by the so-called “deep state.”

Some followers of the MAGA – Make America Great Again – movement and the Republican Party believe in the false claim that the United States is secretly controlled by a cabal of elites who are pedophiles, sex traffickers and satanists.

Over time, what started as a baseless conspiracy on obscure platforms has migrated into the mainstream. It has influenced rhetoric and policy debates, and even reshaped the American political landscape. The foundational belief of many of the QAnon followers is that Trump is a heroic figure fighting the elite pedophile ring.

Trump’s attempts at downplaying or obstructing the very disclosures they believe would validate their worldview has led to confusion. To some, the delay in the release of the files feels like a betrayal, or even the possibility of his wrongdoing. Others are trying to reinterpret Trump’s actions through increasingly baseless conspiracy logic.

Trump played footsie with QAnon and other extremists to gain power.  That he's a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing populist is now more obvious than ever.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yikes, The mad king called in to a radio show and said he was in the files. OBVS, in the context of claiming that everything they found was fake. The administration claims that the conspiracy to put trump in the files will be prosecuted.

(he also managed to babble out that reports from democrats have more credibility in the same interview - fire the writers.)
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/...dium=email

[Alan V]

From Politico:

“If you tell the base of people, who support you, of deep state treasonous crimes, election interference, blackmail, and rich powerful elite evil cabals, then you must take down every enemy of The People,” [Rep. Marjorie Taylor] Greene posted to social media, referring to a series of unverified issues Trump and his supporters have pushed since the 2020 election. “If not,” she continued, “The base will turn and there’s no going back. Dangling bits of red meat no longer satisfies. They want the whole steak dinner and will accept nothing else.”

Hey Marjorie! Trump lied. It's that simple.

[GrandizerII]

From Politico:

“If you tell the base of people, who support you, of deep state treasonous crimes, election interference, blackmail, and rich powerful elite evil cabals, then you must take down every enemy of The People,” [Rep. Marjorie Taylor] Greene posted to social media, referring to a series of unverified issues Trump and his supporters have pushed since the 2020 election.  “If not,” she continued, “The base will turn and there’s no going back. Dangling bits of red meat no longer satisfies. They want the whole steak dinner and will accept nothing else.”

Hey Marjorie!  Trump lied.  It's that simple.

I love how she treats the MAGA people like they're ravenous beasts or something. If this wasn't MTG we're talking about here, I would've confidently treated this as satire from the get go.

About the ... List ... I have read and thought about it a bit more. I think people love the idea of a List because it's simple, clean, imagined to have all the answers ready to be unfolded in due time, implicating not just a handful of people but a LOT of powerful and famous people (as in a hundred or so) and thus validating their beliefs all along (and exciting them in the process). It has to be a List and nothing more complicated than that, as the answer being decentralised lessens its appeal.

That's my psychoanalysis for the day. It may or may not be accurate.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It’s not an unreasonable supposition. Criminals are known to keep records of their criminal clients as a matter of self-preservation. It’s an if-I-go-you’re-going-with-me sort of thing.

Boru

I guess when you put it this way, it's a plausible supposition. But I do think that when people demand that the list be released, that the level of confidence implied (that the list exists) is unwarranted and is characteristic of a "conspiracy theory" kind of thinking.

Furthermore, just because something is plausible doesn't mean it's likely. And while it may be true that criminals are known to keep records of such things for self-preservation, why are we expecting a singular concrete list of names exactly (whether as a transaction kind of document or detailing what each of them paid for specifically), and especially one that hasn't yet been confirmed exists after all these years?

It's plausible he may have used photos and/or video footage instead to blackmail them (if he felt the need to blackmail), which would be more damning than some list. So why then a list?

(Bold mine)

If the list exists, it may be exactly what you suggest - photos and videos (no one says a list has to be on a bit of paper). You can fit a helluva lot of information on a thumb drive.
 
Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

It doesn't matter if he lied, certainly not to marge. She didn't say they wanted the truth, she said they wanted a steak dinner.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I think MTG is right -- you can't tease tastes and then refuse to deliver. That she and others like her paid for the full course is exactly why they're butthurt.