What is Orginal Sin?

[Gawdzilla]

I think its been a long time since anyone has had an original sin. I think they've all been tried at least once before by now.

Lard knows I went through the list in my time.

[Violet]

I liked it one of the best stories i think

It started being okay once it got ahold of itself. First it's like "Alright, underwater sport?", then it's like "holy shit holding your breath for hours!?", then it's all "Omg, i've got a sword and just got asked if I know how to use it!", then "OMG HUGE.... WHAT TTHE FUCK IS THIS?!", then it was all "WHAT THAT FUCK?!" followed by a few more "W... FUCKING WHAT IS THIS GIBBERISH!" and then it's like "NOW THIS SPORT ON LAND!!!!?!?!!", and then "FUCKING KICK!?!", and then it was all "OMG WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE DOING?!", and then it's like "FUCKING BOSS!!!!!??!?!?!!", and then it's all "IT'S ON MY SIDE?!", and then I think I got somewhere else before anything started to click together.

Not to mention the leveling system confused me to hell until I got things to put into it. 5 hours, and 30 minutes, of continuous WTFmode from the start of the game.

And although I started 'getting' the story after that, and lots is 'revealed' as you go through it... I still never liked Tidus or Yuna or Wakka at all. Lulu was okay, Auron was cool, Rikku is like me when I'm high on sugar so I can't hate her, and K....something was interesting by not being interesting.

... I might have left something out 0.o I doubt it though.

[Cinjin]

I'd like to hear from Christians what Original Sin is? Because I can never understand why God would allow the sin of a father(Adam) to be committed to the son(Humanity). I've heard reasons from others to believe why this is wrong but can anyone prove why it is right?

Prove why it is right?? That's hilarious. Can the religious shiteciles prove anything to be right?

Adam and Eve should have their own standing thread. There's so much bull shit in this story, one hardly knows where to begin.

The fact that god made the best tree in the garden untouchable shows that he's sadistic. The fact that he also made eating that tree's fruit the deciding factor over man's eternal soul makes him downright diabolical. And being the sadistic bastard that he was, it really wouldn't surprise me to find that he was actually the serpent too ... playing both sides for his own amusement. Otherwise - why the hell would god need to make that tree in the first fucking place?????

How christians ignore this (along with thousands of other examples of supreme idiocy) is beyond my comprehension.



By the way, if the god you're considering for lifelong faith decided to test the very first two humans he ever made, failed them, kicked them out of their home, cursed them to hard labor and pain, and than required blood sacrifices for thousands of years ... you may very well want to consider that a RED FLAG when you're making your decision!

[Doubting Thomas]

Hmm... original sin. I have to go back to my Catholic brainwashing days to answer this.

Apparently God thought it would be a good idea to put a tree with magical fruit in the middle of the Garden of Eden but didn't want Adam & Eve to eat from it. Which any of us with kids knows that if you don't want them to get into something, you keep it out of their reach. But a talking snake told Eve to go for it, and even though God knew, being omniscient and all, that they would eat from it, he got pissed anyway. So he then cursed the snake and took away its legs, then made childbirth painful and kicked Adam & Eve out of the Garden. Then he saw fit to put a curse called "original sin" on every single human born after that event. So all humans need to be "saved" from this original sin that we didn't have anything to do with and happened before any of us were ever born, so apparently the only way to be saved from it is to be baptized and accept Jesus as personal savior. Why God couldn't just decide to forgive everyone for this crime they never committed isn't clear, but apparently it's impossible and we have to go through the whole process of Jesus worship because the first two humans fucked up. Oh, and apparently women are inferior to men because Eve ate the fruit first and then gave some to Adam.

As for why it's fair of God to punish us all for what they did, you'd have to ask a Christian that. I think it was Statler Waldorf I was having a discussion with on one of these threads about this very issue. Apparently, since God makes all the rules it's fair of him to punish all humans for what the first two humans ever did, even though he knew they would do it in the first place. And apparently it's also fair for people who live in places where nobody's ever heard of Christianity to go to hell because they've never been cleansed of this original sin. I think "might makes right" is the term I'm looking for. But we're not to question God's wisdom because we're just pathetic, evil little creatures who deserve to be horribly punished for eternity for things we never did just because we had the audacity to be born. That is, unless you join the magical club with the magical water which apparently washes orginal sin right off your skin. Then you get to act like an arrogant prick because you don't have to worry about that sin any more. But even then, we're all just disgusting, evil, little vermin who deserve the most horrendous tortures God can give us just because he made us. But he loves us and wants us to worship him!

[BloodyHeretic]

This tells you all you need to know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0

[reverendjeremiah]

This tells you all you need to know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0

I give you a reputation bumb for this post.

[JohnDG]

The original sin is the reproduction of the human race through adam and eve having incest. Yes it was incest the bible clearly states that god took a rib from adam and created eve from it, thus being of the same exact dna. Like it or not were all product's of interbreeding between adam and eve, their 900 sons and daughters in which I presume they had more incest with because adam lived to be 900. Also it means eve was built like a factory pumping out 1 child every year for 900 years.

This is what creationist believe in.

[tackattack]

I'd like to hear from Christians what Original Sin is? Because I can never understand why God would allow the sin of a father(Adam) to be committed to the son(Humanity). I've heard reasons from others to believe why this is wrong but can anyone prove why it is right?

Well if the hecklers can calm down for a bit I don't mind having a real discussion about it, as I haven't shared much about it in the forum to date.

Definition:
Original Sin- When the average Presbyterian/Calvinist says it without thinking they usually mean the sin that Adam and Eve committed in the Garden of Eden. If you ask a catholic they quote their encyclopedia

(1) the sin that Adam committed; (2) a consequence of this first sin, the hereditary stain with which we are born on account of our origin or descent from Adam.

If you ask a protestant apologist, Calvinist or Christian theologian (I've asked) it a little different of a definition. I (as the latter group) define "original sin" as this: original sin would be better stated as "originating sin". It would be the quality (or nature) fundamental to mankind's nature that causes him to transgress the will of God. This sin of nature is original because we are all born with it. It is also total in that it is irreparable by his own power completely. It does not limit or remove free-agency. It was an intentional design that we have the opportunity and availability of everything possible for learning moral right by God’s standard, however our lack of trust and a compulsive self-reliance put us culpable individually for our actions. It is not an inherited sin in that if you did everything right you would be guilty regardless, just a statement of nature that it’s unfathomable to do right 100% of the time when learning what is and is not acceptable to an objective moral standard.

I hope that clarifies my position and answers the question a bit. Fire away.

[Ryft]

I'd like to hear from Christians what original sin is, because I can never understand why God would allow the sin of a father (Adam) to be committed to the son (humanity). I've heard reasons from others to believe why this is wrong, but can anyone prove why it is right?

The question of original sin is somewhat difficult to discuss with non-Christians because it is a theological issue that is settled exegetically (i.e., study of the biblical texts); if one denies the Scriptures as divine revelation, the whole matter becomes rather moot (but their denial is a product of original sin). Outside of the biblical texts I suppose one could define original sin however they like, although the fact that such a person is talking about original sin at all would be quite odd, since it is quintessentially a biblical concept. While the term itself is not found in the Scriptures—it was coined by Augustine of Hippo—the concept is deeply biblical, rooted in the theology of salvation (soteriology).

There is an aphorism penned by Paul E. Little that captures the essence of original sin: "We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we are sinners." Original sin means quite simply sin derived from our origin; biblically and theologically that origin is "in Adam," who is the federal representative of all mankind as imago Dei. It is not so much that we are all held accountable for Adam's sin, as your question alluded to, as that all mankind is fallen as sinners because Adam, our federal head in the economy of salvation, fell into sin; i.e., from a sinful origin comes a sinful lineage, a condition which produces in man every sort of sin. In this same theology of salvation we have Jesus Christ, described in this context as the "second Adam" (cf. the theological dichotomy revealed in the New Testament gospels and epistles); that is, all mankind is represented in one of two camps, such that those who are not "in Christ" (him being their federal head) remain "in Adam" (him being their federal head). So that is the meaning of original sin: sin derived from our origin, condemned "in Adam" as sinners until we are justified "in Christ" as redeemed.