Gay Marriage: Our Mutual Joy

[fr0d0]

The one part that bothered me is why do no christians ever express the viewpoint of seperation of church and state. Even when I believed in God, I still accepted that our laws cannot be based on faith. Yet no christian seems to get this.

It seems pretty clear to me.. give to God what belongs to God, & to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

I'm a Christian and believe Church and State need to be separate. I also know thousands more in the UK who express the same opinion.

(sorry *gets back into cage*)

[Edwardo Piet]

Lol. I don't see anything wrong with your reply there fr0d0 (I'm referring to the getting back in the cage).

You just responded to rockpiano.

EvF

[Meatball]

You know what I meant by that meatball?Basically in my view if you want to have sex with someone of the same sex it has nothing to do with me.I am not against it and it does not affect me in any way shape or form.

It's two different issues. There are plenty of people who think that gays should be able to be gay and have gay sex but think they shouldn't be allowed to get married.

[Edwardo Piet]

Marriage doesn't really do much apart from the legal differences yeah?

You can totally love someone and not marry them, - and you can hardly love someone and marry them for instance.

I mean, right?

EvF

[chatpilot]

I agree EvF marriage is just a legality but the only reason it's an issue here in the states especially is because marriage is considered a christian institution established by the Judaeo christian god in the Old Testament.Otherwise I beleive it would not even be an issue.You are right meatball marriage and gay relationships are two different issues but these two issues overlap each other so they really cant be separated.

Rockthatpiano christians are notorious to only take on challenges that would end in their benefit.Separation of church and state is not one of them since if it was up to them they would love nothing short of a theocracy.They would love the opportunity to stuff their beliefs down the worlds throats by force the way they did during the various inquisitions and the crusades.

[Mark]

For me, homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue, and therefore it is one that admits no compromise. It is just the same with polygamy, polyandry and various other imaginable principles of household constitution. Persons should be free to join in whatever familial associations they desire, and the laws should be sufficiently flexible to support inheritance, shared property, medical visitation and the like, irrespective of mode of household constitution. If God exists and has strong preferences in this regard, the state can do nothing supplant his divine law. But the state can establish practical and legal institutions, whether God likes it or not, and according to republican principles, it should. It is not for the state to be the guarantor, still less the enforcer, of anyone's supposedly God-inspired notions of how people should behave. Their strong effort to establish the contrary is one of the principal evils of the Roman Church and in America, of the Conference of Catholic Bishops.

@chatpilot: "Judeo-Christian" is a conservative political construction and does not describe anything objective in American society. Nobody worships Judeo-Christ, so far as I am aware. Judaism and Christianity are two different religions, and "Judeo-Christian" is merely an attempt to create a reactionary consensus that includes members of both. When it comes to that, Islam is also strongly a religion of "the Book," in many ways more consistent and broadly inclusive than either of the others, and the only reason we do not see "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" is that Jews and conservative Christians revile Islam.

[chatpilot]

Everyone knows that Christianity is derived from Judaism.They claim the same god Jehova and Jesus is supposed to be an incarnation of that god.These two religions overlap each other as well since christians still hold to some Old Testament laws described in the Pentateuch.