Is there any evidence we dont live on in some way after death

[Faith No More]

Obviously no one in this forum is on the cutting edge of discovering anything.

Lol, did you actually come here expecting us to definitively answer the question of life after death?

Most forums are for people with little or no social life, who play on the computer too much, and barf out the little tidbits of knowledge they suck up from actual smart people. I dont see this place as much of an exception.

Except for the parts about barfing up tidbits of knowledge, I'd say you fit right in.

[Epimethean]

"Most forums are for people with little or no social life, who play on the computer too much, and barf out the little tidbits of knowledge they suck up from actual smart people. I dont see this place as much of an exception."

You certainly haven't added anything to it by asking a staid old question, rejecting every reasoned answer, and insulting everyone who has taken the time to respond to your trolling.

[xonage]

"Most forums are for people with little or no social life, who play on the computer too much, and barf out the little tidbits of knowledge they suck up from actual smart people. I dont see this place as much of an exception."

You certainly haven't added anything to it by asking a staid old question, rejecting every reasoned answer, and insulting everyone who has taken the time to respond to your trolling.

You are right. But I am not claiming to be able to. I just asked a question. I admitted there were a few good responses. And I have only insulted the posters who deserve it. Further more. I am not a troll, I am a comedian. So my insults are meant to be playful, not vindictive, even if they may be a little harsh. I am not in a forum of pussies I assume.

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I agree with this guy that like Dawkins, many of you here have lost your objectivity due to your extreme views of atheism. I am of course expecting some of you to tear this guy apart.

[Anymouse]

I have gone back and forth with what I believe about this. Although there is no evidence to believe we have a life after death, there is also no evidence to the contrary that I have encountered. It seems if we are part energy, and energy can never cease to exist, then part of us must be eternal. Anyone with some concrete evidence that we are completely finished at the time of death, please speak up.

p.s. to all the suspicious douche bags who live on this forum and think I am some theist in disguise, get a life. I am just a curious person.

I submit I am not a douche bag. However, after going through your posts I do in fact wonder about your tag which says you are an atheist.

I claim no such thing. On my opening pitch here I acknowledged my path is Wicca. No one has attacked me for that, I have only been called on making specious or illogical claims (and I haven't done much of that).

While there are some characters here with colourful language, the vast majority of the folk here are quite accepting of anyone's view, though they are under no obligation to be. This is Atheist Forums (.org), not Religious Debating Society (.org), or I Need To Be Saved By The Next Christian Coming Down The Street (.org). Generally, ad hominen attacks are not viewed any better by most here than any other logical fallacy.

However, it is not uncommon on these sort of fora that evangelists will claim to be agnostic or atheist, with the hope of putting over a message of evangelism. One thing the people here do not care for very much is someone who misrepresents themselves to make a point, whether claiming to be an atheist hoping to gain an audience for evangelising, or claiming to be a scientist when they have no training in a scientific field.

Such an evangelist would do better to admit it up front (but should be prepared for very pointed discussion of their beliefs, and trust me, atheists are very familiar with the Bible. They have to be: it is only self-defence.)

While I am not that great a judge of people, your posts seem to read like a person trying to slip a little Christian evangelising under the radar by claiming to be an atheist. Please correct me if I am wrong, and that your questions and proposals are nothing more than a person merely exercising a "what if?" sort of investigation. Evangelists have tried this on atheist fora before, and certainly will again; they all seem to think they are being original about it, as well. Trust me, this has been tried before. What makes it so exasperating (and why some atheists seem to lose their tempers over it) is because it never, ever, ends.

If I were suicidal, I might register on a Christian forum for the purpose of discussion and learning, the same reason I am here. I suspect what I would get is hatred and despite (and perhaps become the main event at a marshmallow roast in my honour, as thanks to the US Government, my address is available on the Internet). I doubt anyone would be interested in engaging me in discussion for my edification, or theirs.

My understanding of the term "atheist" (and I am not one, so feel free to correct me, y'all, if my understanding is wrong) is one who does not venerate any deity at all, believes in none other than as the mythology of particular societies, and does not expect to see any evidence to the contrary. (This would also include a theoretical person who has never been introduced to the concept of a deity at all.) Given evidence, which would need to be strong and perhaps overwhelming, an atheist might change his position on the existence of one or more deities, but with that evidence, such mythology would cease being mythology and become science.

Evidence, by its very nature, would annihilate any reason for faith. After all you would have proof. Faith by definition is "belief without proof." Thomas is rebuked in the New Testament for demanding proof from Jesus; why do Christians continue to try to "prove" their beliefs to others? And if Jesus saw fit to give Thomas the proof he sought, why not the rest of us?

James. If you harm none, do what you want shall be the whole of the Law.

[Napoléon]

Further more. I am not a troll, I am a comedian.

Yeah you're definitely something like that. I'm sure you've given a lot of people on here a bloody good laugh. Maybe not for the reasons you want to accept though.

[Ace Otana]

I agree with this guy that like Dawkins, many of you here have lost your objectivity due to your extreme views of atheism.

That's funny. I could of swore atheism was just lack of belief in god. It's got nothing to do with anything else, in fact there are atheists who believe in some kind of afterlife.

Something tells me you're afraid of death. Or as Hawkins put it "Afterlife is a fairytale for those who are afraid of the dark".

[Anymouse]

Further more. I am not a troll, I am a comedian.

Yeah you're definitely something like that. I'm sure you've given a lot of people on here a bloody good laugh. Maybe not for the reasons you want to accept though.

Assuming Xonage is a Christian apologist in a not-very-well donned disguise, I don't find it comedic as much as I find it sad he would be so proud of his faith he feels he needs to hide it. Bushel baskets and all from the NT.

On the other hand, if Xonage is truly an atheist, I seem to be missing the point of his posts. Why, if an atheist, troll an atheist forum?

James.

[Faith No More]

You are right. But I am not claiming to be able to. I just asked a question. I admitted there were a few good responses. And I have only insulted the posters who deserve it. Further more. I am not a troll, I am a comedian. So my insults are meant to be playful, not vindictive, even if they may be a little harsh. I am not in a forum of pussies I assume.

No, not in a forum of pussies, just those that can't stand pathetic attempts at intellectualism and people that are certain they know what they're talking about when they are actually clueless. Unlike you, comedians actually elicit laughs every once in awhile with their humor. The only thing I've laughed at in your posts is your egregious use of science, and your ability to call everyone else stupid while being unable to recognize your own cognitive ineptness. No, you are not a comedian, more like a wise-ass child that thinks he is witty and charming. Funny, no. Pathetic, yes.

[DaveD]

Most forums are for people with little or no social life, who play on the computer too much

You shouldn't judge other people's standards by your own lack of them.

[Paul the Human]

The problem xonage is having is that he doesn't like to be told he is wrong. Unfortunately for him, that is not how one learns new things.

Here are the facts. The human body's autonomic functions create the energy that allows the brain to function. Brain functions create the self-awareness known as consciousness. When the body's autonomic functions stop, the functions of the brain also stop. When the functions of the brain stop, consciousness (self-awareness) stops being generated. That, in a nutshell, is death.

There is no scientific evidence of anything beyond that point. There is no evidence that any sort of 'life-force' exists separately from the body. That being true, there is no reason to believe that one does exist separately from the body. The evidence indicates that when the brain stops generating the 'mind', the mind ceases to exist, as it is no longer being generated.

Why would someone believe that it somehow continues to exist on its own? There is nothing to suggest that it does, unless you count wishful thinking and/or religious dogma.

Xonage, you asked a question and have had it explained to you how and why that question was flawed. You were then given several very clear explanations that, if you really wanted answers, should have cleared up your misconceptions. Instead of accepting the truth, however, you began to toss around insults (not jokes). Instead of allowing yourself to learn something, you chose to cling tenaciously to your flawed ideas. You have acted like a Christian, in other words.

It reminds me of discussions I have had with Christians that claim they know the soul exists, because they can feel that there is more to them than simply their physical bodies. They are wrong. What they feel is simply their own consciousness. Their own self-awareness. It may feel like it extends beyond the physical, but that is simply an illusion caused by their own introspection.

You are alive now. What you do in this life matters. Now. Don't worry about what comes after, since there is no evidence that there is an after.