Hello!

[Darwinian]

Someone was commissioned now? That's some claim. Some claim that I have doubts you can prove.

I bet I could gather more evidence to support my claim than you can to support yours.

[TheCarlisle]

Pi=3?
As said before, the Bible seems to say that pi=3 while it certainly does not. However, the Bible only goes so far to say in 1 Kings 7:23:
And he made the molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and the height thereof was five cubits; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Each of our cubits are not identical. Further, measuring a bowl of that size using armlengths is not likely to be precise, especially with circular measurements. Finally, it is not clear that the Biblical text required an exact measurement; a measurement that is rounded to the nearest cubit might have been fine for the purpose. We provide rounded measurements in everyday life all the time: if I ask how old you are, you probably reply with a number rounded to the nearest year, or at best to the nearest half year. And that's fine - I don't need your answer to the second.

This is an argument that was trying to take down a building with a grain of sand.

[Faith No More]

Then why is the Catholic faith increasing in numbers while the OT is obviously wrong?

Because the human race is generally delusional and they will take comfort in fake stories over reality.

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Pi=3?
As said before, the Bible seems to say that pi=3 while it certainly does not. However, the Bible only goes so far to say in 1 Kings 7:23:
And he made the molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and the height thereof was five cubits; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Each of our cubits are not identical. Further, measuring a bowl of that size using armlengths is not likely to be precise, especially with circular measurements. Finally, it is not clear that the Biblical text required an exact measurement; a measurement that is rounded to the nearest cubit might have been fine for the purpose. We provide rounded measurements in everyday life all the time: if I ask how old you are, you probably reply with a number rounded to the nearest year, or at best to the nearest half year. And that's fine - I don't need your answer to the second.

This is an argument that was trying to take down a building with a grain of sand.

Really? I would think an all-knowing god would have been able to be a bit more precise.

[Minimalist]

he Israelites are now thought to have been an 'indigenous culture that developed west..."

Because the evidence developed in 30 years of archaeological research shows that this is exactly what happened. You see, science concerns itself with evidence whereas religion just worries about propping up its bullshit fairy tales. However, unlike pompous religious fools scientists do not speak in absolutes. They don't make idiotic assertions which they then cannot back away from when or if new evidence arises the way preachers do.

200 years of excavations in Egypt has failed to show any evidence of mass Hebrew slavery in that country. The Late Bronze Age was the absolute peak of Egyptian imperial power in the ancient world. They ruled Canaan continuously for 400 years before abandoning the area in the mid- 12th century BCE ( c 1155, the reign of Ramesses IV.)

If the catholic church is "growing" it is only because they are spreading their shit in Africa where they have found a continent of ignorant and gullible fools to impress with their magic act. The church is dying in Europe and America ( albeit more slowly) and the day that they padlock the last fucking church will be a glorious day for humanity.

[edk]

Why do you keep asking for proof that the Bible is wrong when you can't prove that it isn't wrong? Why should we assume the Bible is anything other than a book when there's no evidence to suggest that it is anything more? All your arguments thus far seem to depend on some part of the same argument already being known to be true.

[The Grand Nudger]

Shifting the burden of proof, it actually becomes even more frustrating once you've explained what the burden of proof is, and they continue to shift the burden of proof.

[TheCarlisle]

Why do you keep asking for proof that the Bible is wrong when you can't prove that it isn't wrong? Why should we assume the Bible is anything other than a book when there's no evidence to suggest that it is anything more? All your arguments thus far seem to depend on some part of the same argument already being known to be true.

We can prove the Bible is true. A bit of Googling helps
Let's start off with the evidence for Jesus: http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php
"The ancient historical record provides examples of writers, philosophers and historians who lived during or not long after the time Jesus is believed to have lived and who testify to the fact that he was a real person. We will look at what some of these people have said..."

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind"

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Then why is the Catholic faith increasing in numbers while the OT is obviously wrong?

Because the human race is generally delusional and they will take comfort in fake stories over reality.

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Pi=3?
As said before, the Bible seems to say that pi=3 while it certainly does not. However, the Bible only goes so far to say in 1 Kings 7:23:
And he made the molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and the height thereof was five cubits; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Each of our cubits are not identical. Further, measuring a bowl of that size using armlengths is not likely to be precise, especially with circular measurements. Finally, it is not clear that the Biblical text required an exact measurement; a measurement that is rounded to the nearest cubit might have been fine for the purpose. We provide rounded measurements in everyday life all the time: if I ask how old you are, you probably reply with a number rounded to the nearest year, or at best to the nearest half year. And that's fine - I don't need your answer to the second.

This is an argument that was trying to take down a building with a grain of sand.

Really? I would think an all-knowing god would have been able to be a bit more precise.

May I remind you God didn't write the Bible, people who were divinely inspired did. God is precise, but he can chose not to whenever he wants. And does it matter that in Kings it says 10 instead of something like 10.04321? It's just to give us a reference on how big the thing is.

To infer that Pi=3, you have to go on the possibility that the bowl was made exactly 10 cubits long, which is highly unlikely.
Then you have to go on the possibility that the quote from Kings was to teach us mathematics, which is less likely than getting struck by lightning because the Bible is not a science/math book (cubits are highly inaccurate); it's a book about religion.

A much more probable scenario is that the guy was just giving us a reference to how big the bowl was.

Again, you are throwing pebbles.

[Minimalist]

"The ancient historical record provides examples of writers, philosophers and historians who lived during or not long after the time Jesus is believed to have lived and who testify to the fact that he was a real person. We will look at what some of these people have said..."

Here we go again. Let's see what you've got? My guess is its the same old Tacitus/Suetonius/Josephus shit that xtians have been trotting out forever.

[Faith No More]

Again, you are throwing pebbles.

Actually, I don't care what the bible says about pi. You were trying to defend it and I was pointing out that being inspired by an all knowing deity, it ought to be a little more precise. I am not throwing anything, just pointing out the contradiction of god inspiring such a flawed book.

[Minimalist]

May I remind you God didn't write the Bible, people who were divinely inspired trying to con the ignorant did.

Fixed that for you.