Hello!

[TheCarlisle]

Tell me what is so hard to understand about the Bible...

For a start, the fact that it doesn't make any sense.
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Most or all of those contradictions aren't even contradictions at all.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm#INDEX

[Epimethean]

I've heard that most cancer isn't really a bother at all, too.

[TheCarlisle]

I've heard that most cancer isn't really a bother at all, too.

I don't know what you're getting at.

[Epimethean]

I think several members have been trying to get you to admit that.

[edk]

Most or all of those contradictions aren't even contradictions at all.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm#INDEX

That's not even addressing the same list. I don't have the energy to compile a list, but you can quite easily look through the list I posted and compare them with that one yourself. Several of them don't appear at all.

[The Grand Nudger]

That list of apologetics starts with a big giant fail. The very first thing that they wish to assert, is that critics have the burden of proof. Sure, if the people in question hadn't originally asserted the bible to be the word of god, and his existence self evident....that would be the case. In the real world..however...........

You know it's impressive. A certain type of theist demands iron-clad proof that their particular ideology is not factual, asserts that there can be no such proof, and then allows it's followers leeway with interpretation to truth....all the while demanding that the absolute truth be recognized within their doctrine. As if to say, "You can know nothing if you are not absolutely precise, our knowledge can be amended, our understanding can be refined, we do not need to know everything. We DO, however know everything, and demand that this self evident truth be given respect".

[TheCarlisle]

Most or all of those contradictions aren't even contradictions at all.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm#INDEX

That's not even addressing the same list. I don't have the energy to compile a list, but you can quite easily look through the list I posted and compare them with that one yourself. Several of them don't appear at all.

You're right, it's not. However, it does cover a plethora of "contradictions."

"God, all knowing and hell for one. Total lack of sense there.
The fact that I'm way nicer than your god, since I'd never send anyone to hell for simply having or lacking certain beliefs. That's just dumb and immature.
The fact that if I had his powers, I wouldn't allow children to starve or disease to so painfully take lives away. The fact that he loves to have his fucking ego stroked and that his ego seems to be far bigger than himself. He's a fucking joke."
God created free will. We send ourselves to hell. God, being omnipotent doesn't need us. We can't possibly understand what or how He thinks, so how dare you judge Him. That last sentence has sealed your fate; you've made the unpardonable sin.hock:
"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men." Matthew 12

[Faith No More]

We can't possibly understand what or how He thinks...

Hmm...then why does the bible see fit to speculate on this over and over again? Because you only use this argument to refute what atheists have to say when proving god is contradictory, but when it comes to your religion and dictating others' lives, you claim to know the will of god. You love to say what god thinks all of the time, but when you are shown that god's qualities are ludicrous, you then claim his thoughts are unknowable.

[Ace Otana]

God created free will. We send ourselves to hell.

Wrong, I'll point out why. God supposedly created us and he knew what was going to happen and why, because he designed it that way. So ultimately, it's his fault.
Say I designed a paper airplane to perfectly fly across the room and land on a table. Now say I gave it a mind and I being all knowing, I know it will choose not to land on the table like I wanted. It would be my fault, I designed it that way. Also I'm all knowing, so I can't blame anyone else but myself. Same with your god, if he creates us to behave a certain way, it's ultimately his fault.
Here's another way of looking at it. Say I created an RC with an artificial mind, now I gave it weapons and the ability to use them or not. Now say it flew off and killed someone. Who would you blame? Me, the one who designed and built it, or the RC for which was only doing what I gave it the ability to do? Me being all knowing makes it worse, because I knew it would and I could of changed it's design.

We can't possibly understand what or how He thinks, so how dare you judge Him.

I will judge him how I see fit. If I think he's an immature dictator who's ego is bigger than himself, based on what I know, I'll pass judgement. Your god is incompetent and evil. He is also a dictator, hateful, self loving bastard.

That last sentence has sealed your fate; you've made the unpardonable sin.hock:

Here watch this....god! Your a complete faggot! Jebus was a a compulsive liar and deceiver who got what he deserved.

Sin, god, hell. All these things mean nothing to me. Because they're just concepts. Unproven baseless assertions. The whole thing is a complete joke.
All these divine laws and religious rules do not apply to me. None of them apply to me. I am not sinful, because sin is just a concept. I won't be going to hell, because it is only a concept, and god can't do fuck all to me, because he is also just a concept.
I am more powerful than your god, because unlike him, I actually exist.

[TheCarlisle]

We can't possibly understand what or how He thinks...

Hmm...then why does the bible see fit to speculate on this over and over again? Because you only use this argument to refute what atheists have to say when proving god is contradictory, but when it comes to your religion and dictating others' lives, you claim to know the will of god. You love to say what god thinks all of the time, but when you are shown that god's qualities are ludicrous, you then claim his thoughts are unknowable.

The Bible is God's word. Nowhere does it say, "The will of God is..." But rather, it says that God loves us, hates sin, and wants us all to go to heaven.
What we don't know about God is quite a bit. For example:
Why did God create free will?
Why did God even create us?
If someone answers those, they are just speculating. If someone asked why did God choose Moses to lead the Exodus, then the answer's pretty clear.

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God created free will. We send ourselves to hell.

Wrong, I'll point out why. God supposedly created us and he knew what was going to happen and why, because he designed it that way. So ultimately, it's his fault.
Say I designed a paper airplane to perfectly fly across the room and land on a table. Now say I gave it a mind and I being all knowing, I know it will choose not to land on the table like I wanted. It would be my fault, I designed it that way. Also I'm all knowing, so I can't blame anyone else but myself. Same with your god, if he creates us to behave a certain way, it's ultimately his fault.
Here's another way of looking at it. Say I created an RC with an artificial mind, now I gave it weapons and the ability to use them or not. Now say it flew off and killed someone. Who would you blame? Me, the one who designed and built it, or the RC for which was only doing what I gave it the ability to do? Me being all knowing makes it worse, because I knew it would and I could of changed it's design.

We can't possibly understand what or how He thinks, so how dare you judge Him.

I will judge him how I see fit. If I think he's an immature dictator who's ego is bigger than himself, based on what I know, I'll pass judgement. Your god is incompetent and evil. He is also a dictator, hateful, self loving bastard.

That last sentence has sealed your fate; you've made the unpardonable sin.hock:

Here watch this....god! Your a complete faggot! Jebus was a a compulsive liar and deceiver who got what he deserved.

Sin, god, hell. All these things mean nothing to me. Because they're just concepts. Unproven baseless assertions. The whole thing is a complete joke.
All these divine laws and religious rules do not apply to me. None of them apply to me. I am not sinful, because sin is just a concept. I won't be going to hell, because it is only a concept, and god can't do fuck all to me, because he is also just a concept.
I am more powerful than your god, because unlike him, I actually exist.

I want to clarify that evil cannot come from God. Lucifer rebelled and created evil, God only created the potential to do so.
So, according to you logic, a man who was raised a little gentleman and left the house as one decides to kill someone is perfectly innocent? Since the parents brought him into the world and ultimately given him free will by doing so, they are guilty of first degree murder. That makes no sense.