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July 24, 2011 at 5:16 pm
And don't forget David Hume's quote (I'm going to paraphrase rather than find the exact quote):
If you think you have experienced a miracle, you must weigh up the possibilities. Either you are suffering from a misapprehension, or the laws of nature have been suspended in your favour. Which is more likely?
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July 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm
(July 24, 2011 at 4:53 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: (July 24, 2011 at 4:49 pm)TheCarlisle Wrote: Even in this fake scenario, you will not believe in God. If that's the case, then there is no hope for you...
Of course I won't believe in god. Not until there is evidence. Personal experience will only lead me to conclude that I'm delusional or simply hallucinating due to some kind of lack of concentration, low oxygen levels, malnutrition, blood rush or some unknown cause. I will not jump to religious nonsense unless there is evidence that can support it.
Occam's Razer. I'm always sticking to Occam's Razer.
Lack of concentration, or any of those explanations cannot explain why you would memorize segments from the Bible, word for word 
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July 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm
So are you also saying that if you were going along and you heard a voice telling you it was Allah and he started quoting verses from the Qu'ran that you would believe in Allah and become a Muslim?
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July 24, 2011 at 6:46 pm
(July 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm)ElDinero Wrote: So are you also saying that if you were going along and you heard a voice telling you it was Allah and he started quoting verses from the Qu'ran that you would believe in Allah and become a Muslim?
If I remembered every single word he said, then yes. I doubt that would happen, but yes.
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July 24, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Well there you have it. Yes, if Bible verses got logged in my head when I had no prior knowledge of them, I would have to believe something extraordinary had happened. Like you say, I doubt it will happen. More importantly, there is not a single documented case of that having ever happened. And furthermore, I wouldn't expect anyone else to believe in it on the basis of my personal experience.
So yeah, I can grant you your hypothetical. But it would seem to me a very inefficient way for a God to prove himself as real, since if I told anyone about it, they would think I had lost my mind.
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July 24, 2011 at 7:35 pm
(This post was last modified: July 24, 2011 at 7:41 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You just keep repeating yourself, without answering the question. Why are you talking about free will, free will is impossible under these provisions. Why do I have to explain this to you?
Here's a claim Carlisle, dismantle it for me. I claim that this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_Gab%C...%C3%89renn
Is in fact the explanation for all that exists.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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July 25, 2011 at 1:41 am
(July 24, 2011 at 6:36 pm)TheCarlisle Wrote: Lack of concentration, or any of those explanations cannot explain why you would memorize segments from the Bible, word for word
It would be an extraordinary event, however. I still won't conclude that a god did it. There is no evidence for the existence of such a thing.
I will only assume if there is reason and evidence, there is none for god. So, I'd still be an atheist.
The cause would be unknown and I'll leave it as that.
Your move. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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July 25, 2011 at 1:51 am
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You truly would think that this fact would be painfully obvious.
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RE: Hello!
July 25, 2011 at 2:26 am
Quote:It would be an extraordinary event, however.
It's apparently not all that extraordinary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltsv40vCP7g
Apparently, memorizing that shit is about all they do.
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July 25, 2011 at 2:33 am
I see sheep, what do you see? 
What complete madness. Total insanity. No thought what so ever. Mindless drones.
I'm starting to feel insulted when they think I have potential to believe in that shit. They thought I had potential to be as crazy and them!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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