The CAM Thread

[The Grand Nudger]

Hehehe, CAM has only one principle.

[KichigaiNeko]

If you have a headache caused by spinal misalignment you can go to a licensed medical professional and have that dealt with.

who?? like a Chiropractitioner??

If you have pain you can get a prescription for medication based on proper diagnosis and it WILL ease the pain.

Why when a manipulation will save your liver from having to deal with 'over the counter medication or worse Heavy Digesics?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextropropoxyphene

Alternative therapies are not effective at treating anything whatsoever. If they were, they wouldn't be alternative, they would be mainstream. Snake oil, top to bottom.

Just what are we defining as "Alternative" here?

I understand that people may wish that their doctor was more warm or personal (and I doubt that it's impossible to find a friendly doctor), but at the end of the day you go to a doctor to seek medical advice; not friendship. If he is a cold cog in the machine that is medicine, and his treatment is effective, bravo for the machine.

To a point I agree..bravo for the machine but
1.we are dealing with people and they are NOT machines... which in lies the problem.
2. Not all the "remedies are effective" and just as bad as the 'Snake oil Salesman' you poo poo

I remember my grandmother who had multiple health issues going to the doctors as though she was visiting friends..it was a social outing for her and i could not believe my ears when she would tell me about it! She had to try this and then that and then something else...essentially she was just a lonely attention seeking selfish person with some hormonal issues..nothing more. But hey the pharmaceutical companies made a fortune out of her.

No Medical science is THE LAST STOP BEFORE YOU DIE type medicine. And many who do not make it die from the pharmaceuticals administered from such practitioners. With Cancer you die from opiate overdose the cancer will kill you but it takes longer and the overdose is the "euthanasia" that is not practiced by medical mainstream

So WTF is going on here??

No... when you are ill you WANT MUMMY! You WANT that touch that says it will be OK..You WANT that personal interaction from someone who has spent some time UNDERSTANDING HOW THE BODY WORKS because you are ill and not talking to your body at that point in time.

This is my understanding.

[The Grand Nudger]

who?? like a Chiropractitioner??

2. Not all the "remedies are effective" and just as bad as the 'Snake oil Salesman' you poo poo

Chiropracters http://www.chirowatch.com/cw-debunked.html Again, if a chiropracter uses a treatment which has been shown to be effective, the same treatment can be given at any hospital one chose. The difference between chiropractic and actual medicine is in the underlying principle and treatments offered that differ based upon those principles. A physical therapist will not perform treatments which chiropractors will because they have not been shown to be effective, and can actually hurt the patient.
(Here in the US, chiropractors exist because it is cheaper for insurance companies to send you there in the event of say; a car accident, than it would be to pony up the coin for actual medical treatment.)

If a medical treatment is ineffective (not just in one person but ineffective) then it is not used. There are controls in place which prevent such treatments from being leveraged in mainstream medicine. A treatment that has not yet had it's effect proven may be leveraged in a case study, and the participants must be willing after having been informed of the nature of the treatment. That is obviously here, in the US, though things slip through the cracks. If you are one such person my heart goes out to you. Take solace in the knowledge that medical professionals are working to remedy that. Why, however, seek a placebo?

[KichigaiNeko]

who?? like a Chiropractitioner??

2. Not all the "remedies are effective" and just as bad as the 'Snake oil Salesman' you poo poo

Chiropractors http://www.chirowatch.com/cw-debunked.html Again, if a chiropractor uses a treatment which has been shown to be effective, the same treatment can be given at any hospital one chose.

If a medical treatment is ineffective (not just in one person but ineffective) then it is not used. There are controls in place which prevent such treatments from being leveraged in mainstream medicine. A treatment that has not yet had it's effect proven may be leveraged in a case study, and the participants must be willing after having been informed of the nature of the treatment (that is obviously here, in the US, though things slip through the cracks).

That's my whole point ..having worked with medicos.. not everyone of them can manipulate "effectively" the spine nor even reset a fracture as well as one who has studied the subject and is proficient in the practice like a chiropractor or osteopath

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps that is because many medical professionals would like to avoid manipulating the spine if at all possible?

On the other hand

[KichigaiNeko]

If a medical treatment is ineffective (not just in one person but ineffective) then it is not used. There are controls in place which prevent such treatments from being leveraged in mainstream medicine. A treatment that has not yet had it's effect proven may be leveraged in a case study, and the participants must be willing after having been informed of the nature of the treatment (that is obviously here, in the US, though things slip through the cracks).

Much more slips through the cracks is my point Rhythm. Your mainstream medicine is staffed by overworked and underpaid people who make mistakes (same here in Oz) Your mainstream medicine is governed by a central body that has no thought for the individual practitioner let alone the individual patient. Your mainstream medicine is costly because of litigation and insurance and the fact that while mainstream medicine is a slave to the pharmaceutical companies those said companies are able to manipulate the govt and the medical mainstream to conduct their "field trials" for them. how many drugs have been recalled BECAUSE ordinary people have complained (Bitterly) to the authorities??

No I do not revere the men in white coats..like our politicians they are just as suspect in my view; and I wouldn't take that page you offered as gospel either .

To do so is to make medicine, science, and politics as religion ...something they were never meant to be.

[The Grand Nudger]

Mainstream Medicine™ makes mistakes so we should appeal to magic?
Demanding that treatment be proven and understood is religious?

Agree to disagree.

[KichigaiNeko]

Perhaps that is because many medical professionals would like to avoid manipulating the spine if at all possible?

On the other hand

Ever had your spine manipulated??

I have and it is wonderful!! No pain!! Bliss!!

What I am saying is that I DID go to a certified medical practitioner and all I got was a fucking gonorrhea test (he did NOT adress my asthma, nor my posture, nor my menopause, nor my systemic fungal infection, nor the viral infection)... oh no he sent me for a fucking gonnorhea test ! (this from your "certified mainstream medical" practitioners??) Suffice to say I didn't go back there, but someone suggested that perhaps I might benefit from a visit to their Chiropractor. I don't swallow blindly the "benefits" of such a practice BUT what I am trying to say is that in SOME cases Chiropractic is what is needed and the fact that "mainstream" is so down on it in favour of pharmaceuticals is a disservice to the patients and potential patients.

[The Grand Nudger]

Like I said, agree to disagree. It's your personal healthcare, you make the decisions. You could have had a physical therapist or physician crack your joints if you asked.

[KichigaiNeko]

Like I said, agree to disagree. It's your personal healthcare, you make the decisions.

I you wish..