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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:16 pm
All the bad stuff is our fault, all the good stuff is to his credit. Get with the program Thor.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:16 pm
(August 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm)salty Wrote: Would an explination make you believe in the saving power of Jesus Christ?
Don't dick about. Just answer the question... You have nothing to lose.
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:25 pm
What kind of roll are we talking about here, and which set of dice? If JC wants to use his saving throw on me it's gonna have to be pretty damned big.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm
It's not "I can't" or "I won't"
It's "I don't give a shit."
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Can't we choose all three?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Let's just make this clear: You measure world suffering by what you are told (via news, etc), but in truth you don't know whether God is moving or not.
God promises that he will show himself, but not until everyone is given the chance to be deceived and wrapped up in their own broken reasons to deny him. Even if he chose to come down now and then, we would attribute every miracle and healing, every special deliverance to something else. We'd find something to give the credit to, you know you wouldn't give it to a deity, you'd be quicker to hand it over to science or chance.
Really, human suffering is the easiest way to be deceived, because you have news papers, television, you have the internet and the smart phone, you think because you can see suffering, that you can see healing and deliverance too? You think good things are news worthy? You think because you can see what's happening to people's bodies that you can see what's happening to their souls? And you think because you don't believe in God that he's not working miracles in the lives of people around the world. Do you have any way to check whether people feel blessed or not? Unless you go to these suffering people, how do you know God is not moving? And how do you know these very people you're "defending" are not followers of God, blessing his name? Do you know who suffering people usually depend on? Christians. They depend on Christians, because some people who believe in nothing serve themselves, while some people who believe in something holy and loving, serve others. It's clear to me that human suffering is simply another way for you to deny God's existence so you can continue living by your own rules.
Lastly, your personal decision to deny Christ does absolutely nothing to stop people from suffering around the world, so unless you intend to do something personally about this terrible suffering that is "proof" God isn't real, don't accuse an entity that you can't see of doing nothing, by giving people hope and moving in ways that you can't see, this entity is doing more than you ever could.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 2:55 pm
If god is moving, we don't see the displacement pattern anywhere.
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Have you asked any one about it? When I served people in Honduras I found that my church was the only crew building, teaching and helping the people of that area. I believe that God moves in many ways and service is one of them.
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm
(August 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm)salty Wrote: Would an explination make you believe in the saving power of Jesus Christ?
What does one have to do with the other? I was responding to your comment that "(God) would never allow that which he loves most to suffer unless they chose to suffer". I then provided several examples where people suffer terribly without choosing to do so. This shows your contention to be false. Unless you can explain this anamoly.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Josh McDowell
August 29, 2011 at 3:07 pm
(August 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm)Thor Wrote: (August 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm)salty Wrote: Would an explination make you believe in the saving power of Jesus Christ?
What does one have to do with the other? I was responding to your comment that "(God) would never allow that which he loves most to suffer unless they chose to suffer". I then provided several examples where people suffer terribly without choosing to do so. This shows your contention to be false. Unless you can explain this anamoly.
Sorry to unleash on you like that, I thought you were just using human suffering as a way to deny God. I can't stand that...
But in response to my statement: People suffering in the body is not the same as choosing to suffer in the soul.
If you are offered Jesus Christ and deny him, it's not your body that will suffer, it's your soul. Every soul is in a condition to choose, whether the body is healthy or not. Therefore God does not want anyone to suffer, but he gives you the power to decide where you soul will go, either with him or away from him.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6
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