RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 5, 2011 at 9:18 pm
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 5, 2011 at 9:18 pm
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm
What can I say? I'm tired of the name calling bullshit that Tea Partiers do and tired of inaccuracies and misinformation that allows cynical minded party leaders hijack the democratic process with the purposes of seizing control.
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 5, 2011 at 11:44 pm
(September 5, 2011 at 8:03 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Bachmann is an authoritarian reactionary conservative, with fascistic tendencies. Suicide is a tricky subject, I wouldn't be so quick to attribute it to psychological oppression as a definitive factor, for instance South Korea has is more socially liberal than ever and has a 7% year on year raise in standards of living compared to the world average yet their suicide rate is higher than it ever has been while more oppressive countries with even more psychological bullying and physical harm exist with less suicide. That kind of psychological torment from self-righteous fundamentalists certainly can't help and it's almost inevitably responsible for some suicides but I think you're being too black and white with what is an extremely complex issue.
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm
I was under the impression that Hoover made the Depression worse by cutting spending and trying to balance the budget. Far from promoting a stimulus package, he tried the "austerity" of the time. It made the Depression worse.
That's my understanding. I could be mistaken so feel free to correct me here. As for the whole debate on Libertarians, it's kind of a moot issue here in America because they always seem to get sucked into to right wing. Republicans seem to do to them when the Democrats do to progressives: make promises and then throw them under the bus after the election. The Tea Party is the perfect example. It was started by Ron Paul, hardly a social conservative, but since have been completely absorbed by Palin, Bachmann and other Christian conservatives. One of the primary things the new Tea Party congressmen have done after the election, particularly on the state level, is enact some of the most draconian anti-abortion legislation we've seen since Roe v. Wade. Abortion seems to be high up on the Tea Party agenda, however much they may offer lip service to "less government". The libertarians have demonstrably no power in the Republican ranks, as demonstrated by how Ron Paul has been repeatedly snubbed despite his 2nd place showing at the Iowa Straw Poll. Why they keep falling for it is beyond me.
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September 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm
(September 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I was under the impression that Hoover made the Depression worse by cutting spending and trying to balance the budget. Far from promoting a stimulus package, he tried the "austerity" of the time. It made the Depression worse. I posted data to the contrary you can find near the bottom of the last page. Let's assume for a minuet that he did in fact cut spending and aim for a balanced budget; Considering just 9 years earlier in the middle of a depression Harding cut spending, lowered taxes and removed regulatory burden which promptly ended a depression you'd find yourself hard pressed to make the case for thrift being responsible for worsening the depression. It's something I see all too often, people when discussing the depressions/recessions of the past tend to stop as soon as they see "Tax/spending cut" and conclude they've found some clear-cut cause and thus don't bother looking for other causal factors or examples of situations to the contrary. Quote:As for the whole debate on Libertarians, it's kind of a moot issue here in America because they always seem to get sucked into to right wing. Republicans seem to do to them when the Democrats do to progressives: make promises and then throw them under the bus after the election. I think it's more important to consider the influence of the 3rd parties, how much influence have libertarians had on republicans compared to progressives on the democrats? I'm aware of a few examples regarding gay marriage in New York, medical marijuana and Ron Paul getting the Fed audited but beyond that I don't follow any of it too closely, I'm much more familiar with the libertarian influence on our economic right-wing ACT party, they are now more socially liberal than any other party in New Zealand (with possibly the exception of the Greens) and that is due largely to the youth in ACT pretty much all being libertarians. What about the contemporary progressives? Have they had many solid victories in Dem policy? Quote:The Tea Party is the perfect example. It was started by Ron Paul, hardly a social conservative, but since have been completely absorbed by Palin, Bachmann and other Christian conservatives. One of the primary things the new Tea Party congressmen have done after the election, particularly on the state level, is enact some of the most draconian anti-abortion legislation we've seen since Roe v. Wade. Abortion seems to be high up on the Tea Party agenda, however much they may offer lip service to "less government". Paul was sadly partly responsible for the anti-abortion legislation, though rather than try and entirely outlaw it like the social conservatives he want's a states-rights approach which, being technically as far as I'm aware "constitutional", is a big red flag on Paul for me, though considering his stance on gay-marriage, drug reform etc he's still largely a social liberal, though compared to the likes of Garry Johnson, who is pretty much the most socially liberal of any American politician I'm aware of, he's about half-way between social liberal and social conservative. Quote:The libertarians have demonstrably no power in the Republican ranks, as demonstrated by how Ron Paul has been repeatedly snubbed despite his 2nd place showing at the Iowa Straw Poll. Why they keep falling for it is beyond me. It's the media (both liberal and conservative) who are mostly responsible for Paul and Johnson being snubbed, Paul is consistently in position 3/4 amongst GOP candidates, behind Perry and Romney, and Johnson consistently out-polls most low-tier of the candidates like Huntsman, Santorum etc. The most amusing aspect of this to me is not how intellectually dishonest and biased the media is, but how this flies in the face of the people who want to claim that the libertarians are just corporate mascots - the LP and libertarian candidates get less attention from corporate media and get a significantly smaller percent of their campaign funds from corporations.
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm
(September 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm)theVOID Wrote: It's the media (both liberal and conservative) There is no liberal media in America. There hasn't been for at least a decade, possibly two. I'll research your claims on Hoover and Harding and get back to you. I was under the impression that Harding was one of the most inept presidents in our nation's history but perhaps I'm wrong. I'm off to read.
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September 6, 2011 at 11:39 pm
(September 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(September 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm)theVOID Wrote: It's the media (both liberal and conservative) Fair enough, perhaps I should have classified them in terms of their general favouritism for political parties instead. Quote:I'll research your claims on Hoover and Harding and get back to you. I was under the impression that Harding was one of the most inept presidents in our nation's history but perhaps I'm wrong. I'm off to read. He quite possibly could be, aside from the claim that he was morally dubious I've read nothing on him aside from what pertains to case studies on the depression and that has little to do with the man himself. Watch the video I posted in the previous page if you like, I'd be interested in the opinions of someone who actually watched it.
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 7, 2011 at 2:25 am
But the libertarians....if that what you want to call these two shits...supply the money and I'm sure they are getting a good return on their investment.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/09/...inar-tapes Quote:Charles and David Koch are co-owners of Koch Industries, an energy and chemical conglomerate inherited from their father that is currently America's second-largest privately held company. To date, the brothers have spent more than $100 million supporting hard-right political campaigns and institutions. They are key funders of the movement to discredit climate science and sow doubt on the scientific consensus that human activities contribute to global warming. RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 7, 2011 at 3:49 am
As were the financiers who supported Obama.
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RE: Republibertariangoodguys suggest reading Ron Paul for all Americans.
September 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Knocking Obama does little for your argument Void. As I recall, most progressives on this forum call him with the pejorative of "most moderate Republican president."
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