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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 12:58 pm
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(October 17, 2011 at 4:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Ever how long it takes to become a desire in your heart. A passing moment in anger probably would not qualify, to stew over it for a while until you "want" it to happen would qualify.
waht if you really really wanted someone to come to harm at once, you were as certain as certain can be that that person should come to harm. why does waiting a minute make any difference?
or
to come at it from a different angle, how long would you have to hold this conviction for it to be a sin?
What if you really wanted someone to come to harm held it for the minimum anount of time required for it to be a sin then changed your mind, what then?
The point is that this is all setting people up to fail and is an obvious tool of manipulation, it suggests that even our own thoughts are under surveilance by the tyranical overlord.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 3:09 pm
(October 18, 2011 at 12:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (October 17, 2011 at 4:06 pm)Godschild Wrote: Ever how long it takes to become a desire in your heart. A passing moment in anger probably would not qualify, to stew over it for a while until you "want" it to happen would qualify.
waht if you really really wanted someone to come to harm at once, you were as certain as certain can be that that person should come to harm. why does waiting a minute make any difference?
or
to come at it from a different angle, how long would you have to hold this conviction for it to be a sin?
What if you really wanted someone to come to harm held it for the minimum anount of time required for it to be a sin then changed your mind, what then?
The point is that this is all setting people up to fail and is an obvious tool of manipulation, it suggests that even our own thoughts are under surveilance by the tyranical overlord.
The LORD knows our thoughts before we think them, this is not surveillance, an all knowing God has this ability without sneaking around. Time has nothing to do with it, it's when the desire manifest itself in ones heart. You have confused a passing thought with a true desire, they are not the same.
There is no minimum time required when a thought becomes a desire it becomes a sin. Once a sin is committed the only way to get rid of it is ask for forgiveness from God, that is if you are a christian, and repent (which means not to take up that sin again). No one is being set up, that kind of thinking comes from guilt.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 3:15 pm
The LORD knows our thoughts before we think them, this is not surveillance, an all knowing God has this ability without sneaking around.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm
God sounds like a magical version of Big Brother.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 4:50 pm
8BitAtheist Wrote:1. Is it immoral to want someone to not exist?
2. Is it immoral to want someone to die?
3. Is it immoral to want someone to fall into an abyss of obscurity?
Morality is subjective. My answer is 'no, it is not immoral' to all three. May Justin Beiber die, and his music fall into the depths of obscurity, until finally nobody has a record of his music and it no longer exists.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm
" ... an all knowing God has this ability without sneaking around."
Then why doesn't the malevolent prick show himself? You dumb turkeys made up a coward to rule you.
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RE: Immoral want
October 18, 2011 at 11:51 pm
(October 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm)Epimethean Wrote: " ... an all knowing God has this ability without sneaking around."
Then why doesn't the malevolent prick show himself? You dumb turkeys made up a coward to rule you.
Faith,faith,faith sorry that you can not understand that, I chose God I'm not ruled by Him I accept who He is and what He has for my life. I could chose to turn away and not believe, but after being on this forum and see what non believers are like I could never turn from such a loving God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Immoral want
October 19, 2011 at 12:03 am
You must be the funniest, or sickest dude on this site.
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RE: Immoral want
October 19, 2011 at 12:10 am
(October 18, 2011 at 11:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: Faith,faith,faith sorry that you can not understand that, I chose God I'm not ruled by Him I accept who He is and what He has for my life. I could chose to turn away and not believe, but after being on this forum and see what non believers are like I could never turn from such a loving God.
OOPS! Did I say that out loud?
No one here has decreed that babies heads should bashed against the rocks.
No one here has forbade police, fire, EMS and others to work on the sabbath.
No one here decided to flood the world and kill innocent babies and bunny rabbits.
No one here has said "Believe in us and love us or we will condemn you to eternal torture!".
No one here is anywhere near as despicable as your god is.
Obviously your standards are distorted at best.
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RE: Immoral want
October 19, 2011 at 11:32 am
(October 19, 2011 at 12:03 am)Epimethean Wrote: You must be the funniest, or sickest dude on this site.
That's Mehmet, dear. Why he hasn't been banned for obvious trolling yet... I don't get it :S
But once he's gone: old GC will be back to sickest dude on this site.
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