Occupy Wall Street

[kılıç_mehmet]

The French Revolution did not start out knowing where it was going either.
People knew they were hungry and that the aristocracy did not give a flying fuck about them.

We are in roughly the same position with the Upper 1% as the Parisian mob was with the Aristocrats.

But it was very, very bloody.
Those guys on the streets...They'd probably call for their mothers the second some policemen in riot gear begin to bombard them with tear-gas canisters.
Protests, foremost of all, must be serious:
What I see on the streets are newfags holding up memes that are supposed to be funny, along with other people who think they are just being rebellious, and other people that just want to tag along to kill some time.

[Anomalocaris]

The French Revolution did not start out knowing where it was going either.

It went to Napoleon. Which I admire in retrospect, BTW.

But any roll of the dice that could lead to a contempoary version of some other variation of Napoleon is not a roll I would flippantly cast on impulse.

[reverendjeremiah]

We definitely need the government to stop corporate welfare, but I think what also needs to be done is to reduce the level of regulation, at least on small business owners. There isn't enough incentive for people to start their own businesses anymore, because there is so much red tape you have to step through, not to mention all the costs in order to set up the documents in the first place. If the government really wants to encourage more jobs, it needs to let small business (i.e. the middle class) expand.

But that is exactly what corporate America wants. The last business I started cost me a grand just to get all of the paperwork in order.

this is corporate americas way of ensuring no n00bs will come in and give them competition.

Once you are up in the ability to give 1,000,000 to EACH party, then you have control. Because regardless of which party wins, that corporation has control of the controlling party. Your vote no longer counts.

Make all donations to political parties illegal NOW!

that is OUR wallstreet.. not the posh welfare housing for the rich 1%.

[Minimalist]

They'd probably call for their mothers the second some policemen in riot gear begin to bombard them with tear-gas canisters.

We aren't going to know the answer to that until the cops start using deadly force.

Remember that in France the king was forced to rely on Swiss mercenaries. The French Army was politically unreliable and eventually threw in with the revolutionaries. Serving French soldiers joined the attack on the Bastille. Without them, it would probably not have succeeded.

[kılıç_mehmet]

They'd probably call for their mothers the second some policemen in riot gear begin to bombard them with tear-gas canisters.

We aren't going to know the answer to that until the cops start using deadly force.

Remember that in France the king was forced to rely on Swiss mercenaries. The French Army was politically unreliable and eventually threw in with the revolutionaries. Serving French soldiers joined the attack on the Bastille. Without them, it would probably not have succeeded.

Deadly force, in the USA?
I don't think so.

[Shell B]

You know, your searing hatred for a country you have clearly never visited sort of rankles. The utter generalization seems to stretch as far as the citizens, which could easily make citizens uncomfortable. The history of your country is certainly not the model of peace. Furthermore, it has a far bloodier history than the United States, yet I don't blatantly hate Turkey. I wonder why it is that some people can be so vague in their anger. I'm sure I have done it myself, but I still find it baffling.

[Faith No More]

But it was very, very bloody.
Those guys on the streets...They'd probably call for their mothers the second some policemen in riot gear begin to bombard them with tear-gas canisters.
Protests, foremost of all, must be serious:
What I see on the streets are newfags holding up memes that are supposed to be funny, along with other people who think they are just being rebellious, and other people that just want to tag along to kill some time.

Regardless of whether their natural instinct is to not fight, it is the right thing to do. Anything beyond a peaceful protest will be counter productive and give ammunition to the opposition.

[kılıç_mehmet]

You know, your searing hatred for a country you have clearly never visited sort of rankles. The utter generalization seems to stretch as far as the citizens, which could easily make citizens uncomfortable. The history of your country is certainly not the model of peace. Furthermore, it has a far bloodier history than the United States, yet I don't blatantly hate Turkey. I wonder why it is that some people can be so vague in their anger. I'm sure I have done it myself, but I still find it baffling.

Wow, this guy thinks that I hate America, just because I criticized it's foreign policies. Isn't that a bit too defensive of you, eh?
The fact that our country's history is "bloody" is not really an excuse for the USA to act that way, since it actually claims to be the harbinger of peace and prosperity, yet leaves only ruins behind it.
And well, I have no qualms with the USA, at least none until they openly take up ranks against us, I'm just pointing out it's effects on the world ever since the cold war.

[Shell B]

*sigh* I'm clearly not a guy. At any rate, I never called it an excuse. I am merely pointing out the fact that your generalizing keeps you from seeing the bigger picture. However, I would say that the citizens of a country whose former government was responsible for one of the first genocides in history would be a little slower to pull the "you're so violent" card. I don't really feel like I am being defensive, though that might be the case. I am genuinely taken aback by your position.

FYI, if the U.S. is meant to be a "harbinger of peace," who gave it that label? Last I checked, freedom was our "thingy in quotations."

[Minimalist]

Deadly force, in the USA?

What fucking planet are you living on?

Run this string though Google:

US police violence


I got 223 million hits in .14 seconds.

Read them all and then get back to us.