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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:12 pm)Vaginasaur Wrote: (November 5, 2011 at 10:09 pm)Faith No More Wrote: But if your life has no purpose, what do you care what other kind of 'monsters' come into existence?
With life comes suffering and suffering matters, the non-existent will never experience.
Vaginasaur, even if things are as you believe, which I don't agree with for a second mind, and all life is suffering and all lifes pleasures are just mere negation of suffering and need, even if other people are just not aware of the reality of things as you see it, what makes you think there is anything worthwhile in making people who believe they are gaining genuine pleasure from their experiences see those said experiences your way?
Isn't that just increasing other peoples suffering in life? It Seems to me if you are so wise to the inherent suffering that life brings that you shouldn't begrudge others any type of pleasuable experience, even if that experience is being misconstrued by themselves to themselves. That just seems totally illogical to me.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:31 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:14 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Why does suffering matter?
This question saddens me, I'm sure your suffering matters to you. Suffering gives us our empathetic nature, suffering is what makes us care for each other, suffering is what makes this species hope for better days, if there's anything that matters in this universe, it's suffering and the conscious welfare of all life. It's the only thing of value to our existence, nothing else matters. If you didn't have suffering, you wouldn't know what was pleasurable, you wouldn't know what was beautiful, you wouldn't know what virtues were. Suffering defines everything in our life, without it we wouldn't exist.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:32 pm
So suffering is kinda you're addiction? Are you a hedonist for suffering?
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Vag, do you deny that there is happiness in life?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:36 pm
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(November 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm)Jay1982 Wrote: It Seems to me if you are so wise to the inherent suffering that life brings that you shouldn't begrudge others any type of pleasuable experience, even if that experience is being misconstrued by themselves to themselves. That just seems totally illogical to me.
It's the fact that we disregard the welfare of other sentient life, that we continue to inflict suffering on others through egotistical desire, that our species continues to impose life on sentient beings, that our species continues to subject other sentient beings to such horrendous conditions for the consumption of their meat. It needs to end, we need to start caring.
(November 5, 2011 at 10:32 pm)aleialoura Wrote: So suffering is kinda you're addiction? Are you a hedonist for suffering?
Life is suffering, hedonism is an addiction to sensual pleasures.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:37 pm
But meat is delicious.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:31 pm)Vaginasaur Wrote: (November 5, 2011 at 10:14 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Why does suffering matter? This question saddens me, I'm sure your suffering matters to you. Suffering gives us our empathetic nature, suffering is what makes us care for each other, suffering is what makes this species hope for better days, if there's anything that matters in this universe, it's suffering and the conscious welfare of all life. It's the only thing of value to our existence, nothing else matters. If you didn't have suffering, you wouldn't know what was pleasurable, you wouldn't know what was beautiful, you wouldn't know what virtues were. Suffering defines everything in our life, without it we wouldn't exist.
I agree with this as someone who has suffered from depression his whole life, however, you said that suffering matters in response to my question as to why you care about who comes into this world. So bringing up my suffering is irrelevant as you still have yet to address why you even care who suffers, and if you do, how that us not giving your life a purpose.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Vag, do you deny that there is happiness in life?
I do not deny happiness, but it is a state of the dualistic mind, and a short lived emotion.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:43 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:36 pm)Vaginasaur Wrote: (November 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm)Jay1982 Wrote: It Seems to me if you are so wise to the inherent suffering that life brings that you shouldn't begrudge others any type of pleasuable experience, even if that experience is being misconstrued by themselves to themselves. That just seems totally illogical to me.
It's the fact that we disregard the welfare of other sentient life, that we continue to inflict suffering on others through egotistical desire, that our species continues to impose life on sentient beings, that our species continues to subject other sentient beings to such horrendous conditions for the consumption of their meat. It needs to end, we need to start caring.
(November 5, 2011 at 10:32 pm)aleialoura Wrote: So suffering is kinda you're addiction? Are you a hedonist for suffering?
Life is suffering, hedonism is an addiction to sensual pleasures.
You didn't really consider my point or question, but hey that's okay, i kinda expected that.
Aleialouras earlier question has merit and still stands unaddressed, your mission to impart awareness of our pointlessness has to fall under the banner of a sensual pleasure, so would you say you were at all hedonistic about imparting knowledge of suffering to others?? it seems to me you are, but you may not be aware of it.
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RE: Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum
November 5, 2011 at 10:47 pm
(November 5, 2011 at 10:37 pm)aleialoura Wrote: But meat is delicious.
It's an unethical addiction, vegetables, grains and the like are also delicious.
(November 5, 2011 at 10:38 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I agree with this as someone who has suffered from depression his whole life, however, you said that suffering matters in response to my question as to why you care about who comes into this world. So bringing up my suffering is irrelevant as you still have yet to address why you even care who suffers, and if you do, how that us not giving your life a purpose.
Depression is caused by the why bother attitude to unattained goals, I used to suffer from depression too, but I'm certain that antidepressants are unnecessary, it's the way you think about things that cause chemical imbalances in your brain. My will is to end suffering, empathy is the nature of my being.
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