Life is awesome - argumentum ad populum

[Jay1982]

I couldn't agree more with shell B here. It is absolute nonsense to try to catagorize all mental and physical ills under one umbrella, and then go around telling them that it's all down to their parental or societal influences. It is also totally disrespectful to people who suffer from disorders, and parents of people who suffer from said conditions to suggest that their condition is a result of things they imparted in them in their youth. I'm gonna bow out of this thread here because it is making me quite angry and I don't want to start throwing mud at you vaginasaur, but your opinions are way too broadly based and very highly skewed in my opinion.

[Vaginasaur]

This fucking unfounded psychobabble bullshit is why people who suffer from mental maladies are stigmatized. It's not emotional, you fuckwits. It's much more complicated. Would you tell someone with neurological damage that their lifestyle is the problem? Yes, stress exacerbates mental illness. It also exacerbates damn near everything else. A brain not functioning properly does not correct itself by listening to amateur psychiatrists rant about the natural way of doing things on a website. The reason some things like mental conditioning and exercise work is because they actually target the problem, but only in some mental illnesses. Medications can save people's lives! Recognizing mental illness for what it is, an illness just like anything else that involves a body part malfunctioning will save these people the trouble of dealing with know-it-alls who have fuckall for experience. /rant

You're being closed-minded about this issue and conforming to your societal conditioning, again, wrong path and should've/could've language.

Forgive me, because I do not usually react in such ways on here, but you are a fucking moron. Do me a favor and never, ever, ever, speak to mentally ill people. The tiny little adjustments that some morons seem to think will change a person's mental condition only work for psychologically healthy people. A goddamn chemical imbalance has absolutely fuckall to do with someone's beliefs.

The way you think about things creates the chemical imbalance, your environment has influence upon this, but it doesn't have to. Should've/could've lens. Also a bit of worth less for you reaction, perhaps you feel you might miss out on future respect?

[Jackalope]

It's unnecessary, our psychological stress is manifested through our parental and societal conditioning. Psychiatrists may be knowledgeable in their field, but they don't really offer any solutions to the underlying problem (your beliefs).

I don't deny that parental and social conditioning were contributory factors. They certainly didn't help matters. The underlying disorder biologic in nature - or so say researchers in the field who I surmise are a hell of a lot more qualified than you.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Go tell a schizophrenic, someone suffering for dissociative identity disorder or bipolar disorder that it's their beliefs that are the root cause of their troubles. Oh wait, you already did.

Oh, one more thing - fuck you. That may sound a bit hostile, but it's really the only response I have left for someone who is beneath contempt.

You're using should've/could've language, I shouldn't be posting my opinions on these matters because you don't feel I'm in a qualified position to speak on such matters. You should really get acquainted with the inaccurate lenses you see life through, because the language you use does have an effect on other people.

I really don't give a fuck what you think. You're damn right I don't feel you're in a qualified position to speak on the causes of mental illness.

[Vaginasaur]

I don't deny that parental and social conditioning were contributory factors. They certainly didn't help matters. The underlying disorder biologic in nature - or so say researchers in the field who I surmise are a hell of a lot more qualified than you.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Go tell a schizophrenic, someone suffering for dissociative identity disorder or bipolar disorder that it's their beliefs that are the root cause of their troubles. Oh wait, you already did.

Oh, one more thing - fuck you. That may sound a bit hostile, but it's really the only response I have left for someone who is beneath contempt.

Wrong path, should've/could've lenses.

I really don't give a fuck what you think. You're damn right I don't feel you're in a qualified position to speak on the causes of mental illness.

Wrong path, should've/could've lenses.

You're only proving my point.

[Jackalope]

This fucking unfounded psychobabble bullshit is why people who suffer from mental maladies are stigmatized.

+1

I spent decades "in the closet". Now that I'm "out" I'm free to call people on their bullshit. I'm so done with being silent about it.

Do me a favor and never, ever, ever, speak to mentally ill people.

This x10.

[Shell B]

You're being closed-minded about this issue and conforming to your societal conditioning, again, wrong path and should've/could've language.

I'll take whatever path I would like, you cock. Societal conditioning has naught to do with it. Science has everything to do with it. It has been proven and shown time and again that genetics play a huge role in several mental illnesses. Just because you want to make up some bullshit about mental illness doesn't make you right. I suspect the troll knows this, though.

The way you think about things creates the chemical imbalance, your environment has influence upon this, but it doesn't have to. Should've/could've lens.

Ba-fucking-loney, idiot.

Read this, Artard. http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/me...tml#nature

[Jackalope]

You're only proving my point.

You're only being an opinionated, insufferable cunt.

[Shell B]

By the way, if you are willing to actually debate about this nature vs. nurture vs. both argument, I will be happy to take you into Thunderdome, I mean the debate area. There will be parameters there that are not here, though. If you can contain your trolidiocy for a day or two, I think it could be interesting.

[Vaginasaur]

Let me do a full analysis of the language you used.

I'll take whatever path I would like, you cock.

(1) Wrong path
Emotion: annoyance
(3) Should've/could've
Emotion: anger, criticism
He shouldn't be telling me how to go about my business.

Societal conditioning has naught to do with it.

(1) Right path

Actually, it has everything to do with it.

Science has everything to do with it.

(1) Right path

It has been proven and shown time and again that genetics play a huge role in several mental illnesses.

(1) Right path

Studies of twins have confirmed that depression can be inherited. The genetic risk of developing clinical depression is about 40%, with the remaining 60% being due to factors in the individual’s own environment. Depression is unlikely to occur without life events, but the risk of developing depression as a result of some such event is strongly genetically determined. It is unlikely that any one contributing gene will be identified.

Although 40% of depression cases may have a genetic contributory factor, life events are main reason for what causes depression, and life events create beliefs about your environment and your identity with self.

Just because you want to make up some bullshit about mental illness doesn't make you right. I suspect the troll knows this, though.

(1) Wrong path
Emotion: annoyance, frustration
He's trolling

(3) Should've/Could've
Emotion: Criticism, resentment
He shouldn't be making up bullshit about a serious issue
He shouldn't be trolling

Ba-fucking-loney, idiot.

(3) Should've/Could've
Emotion: Anger, criticism, resentment

Please stop stressing.

(1) Right path

(3) Should've/Could've
You shouldn't be stressing.

(3) I only know what I know with the information, beliefs and priorities I have at any given moment in time.

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You're only being an opinionated, insufferable cunt.

(1) Wrong path
Emotion: frustration, annoyance

(3) Should've/Could've
Emotion: Anger, criticism, resentment
He should shut the fuck up.

[Shell B]

Blah, blah, quasi analytical nonsense that lends a negative connotation to the very methods of speaking you use -- should/could/cunt -- blah, blah, blah. I sure wish there was something of substance in that wall of alphabet poop.